[smeagol]

adam is a right trouble maker lol gonna keep a closer eye on him

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Gaynor186

I think you mean Aaron not Adam....stealing chocolate; wetting beds etc.

LOL - Sorry doing two things at once!

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

kefln, you put forward very logical explanations. BUT. Her friends from university say that it just isn't true that women tend not to like her. Apparently she has plenty of female friends.

I was a tomboy and always got on better with men, although since hitting my 40s I have made a lot more female friends. Being friends with men is provocative to other women, whether you want that response or not. Don't tell me Lauren doesn't know this; I sure did. I just can't buy this "don't understand" thing.

So! I think she is playing. I just don't think she is doing it very successfully yet. I hope she gets better at it

Of course we are all going to have our own opinions about this, but I might put this idea too you...

If Lauren does suffer from low self esteem, then she mightn't feel all that close to her female friends. In fact she might pay more attention to those that ignore her, than those that don't.

An outsider, or a friend, might not even notice how much such rejections effect her. Maybe in the outside world she can brush this sort of thing off.

But within the glass bowl of the BB house, where everything is magnified, her true weakness is far more apparent.

Just a thought...

[kefln]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Sara's said all along that she likes her, the problem comes from Lauren and Ash

But what Sara says and what Sara does don't always match up!

[kefln]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think so too.

I guess in the real world Lauren wouldn't have to tolerate people like that, but she is forced to confront them in there.

So far I think she's handling it way better than I ever did. And I don't see her as playing the victim, she has been baffled by the dislike for her, and has even asked them what she could do different.

And just because you cry, that doesn't mean you're playing some type of victim card either. It must be really tough in there to control your emotions.

It's just a shame that she is up against Ben, as he has been one of her true friends in there.

Well said

[kefln]

Originally Posted by smeagol

adam is a right trouble maker lol gonna keep a closer eye on him

Its the long hair, you just can't trust 'em!

[Joelle.]

I like her, but I don't get why she gets so upset. Why would you WANT to be friends with Ashleigh?

[rinkydinkpanther]

most women Ive met can turn on the crocodile tears like a tap, how do you tell when its genuine?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

most women Ive met can turn on the crocodile tears like a tap, how do you tell when its genuine?

Run an experiment...

Line up all the women you know and complete the following tests:

1) Show them a new born baby
2) Kick a puppy
3) Tell them a tale from your childhood
4) Cut up one of their shopping loyalty cards
5) Tell them that they are "the one"
6) Ask them are the really going to wear that tonight...

If you are still alive at the end, look for the one still crying over the puppy - shes the only one that isn't crying crocodile tears!


Got to run now...lots of very angry women are looking at me with unblinking eyes!

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by kefln

Run an experiment...

Line up all the women you know and complete the following tests:

1) Show them a new born baby
2) Kick a puppy
3) Tell them a tale from your childhood
4) Cut up one of their shopping loyalty cards
5) Tell them that they are "the one"
6) Ask them are the really going to wear that tonight...

If you are still alive at the end, look for the one still crying over the puppy - shes the only one that isn't crying crocodile tears!


Got to run now...lots of very angry women are looking at me with unblinking eyes!

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by kefln

Lauren has said it on multiple occasions, she just wants to know why people turned on her, despite the fact that she is trying to be friends with them.

But no one will admit that alot of the dislike coming her way is over the fact that some are jealous of how easily she finds getting along with the lads of the house.

Put it another way, Lauren is more disliked than Adam, who has openly admitted to stealing and taking things from peoples bags. Who has had more than one argument in the house and who has taking to wetting people in their beds.

And then you have to take the person into consideration. Lauren does seem quite needy. She mentioned in her VT that women tend not to like her, its obviously something that has happened her entire life. Perhaps its something that she was hoping to amend in the house.

Its one of those situations that you can't win.

People don't like her for reason #A, this upsets her because she doesn't understand, so she gets upset, which p*sses people off and they call her fake. Then viewers start to complain.

But surely it would be more "fake" if she brushed it off? Catch 22, damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

this is a great post.

[rinkydinkpanther]

the women in there are just too closed minded to anyone who is slightly different

[sarakss]

I feel for Lauren, though. Obviously, she's a sensitive person and is more emotional about things like that. Unfortunately, this does not work in her favor because the same people who dislike you for no reason are the same ones who would exploit your sensitivity and keep mistreating you. They abuse her, comfort her, and do it again - she's just an easy target for those bitchy cows.

She's experienced this many times on the outside and I think it was heartbreaking for her to be in such a small setting and still face these problems. She probably thinks something could be wrong with her if she can't find a way to connect to women while cooped up in a small house. Of course, the BB house is NOT the right place for this.


I hope she learns from this experience and not sweat the fact some people do not/will not like her. That's life. Some people are misunderstood, some are just bitches.

For her sake, she needs to brush this off so she does not ruin her big brother experience. She's a lot smarter and better-looking than the coked-up ferret we call Ashleigh - no use letting that fool ruin your time.

[rinkydinkpanther]

Originally Posted by sarakss

I feel for Lauren, though. Obviously, she's a sensitive person and is more emotional about things like that. Unfortunately, this does not work in her favor because the same people who dislike you for no reason are the same ones who would exploit your sensitivity and keep mistreating you. They abuse her, comfort her, and do it again - she's just an easy target for those bitchy cows.

She's experienced this many times on the outside and I think it was heartbreaking for her to be in such a small setting and still face these problems. She probably thinks something could be wrong with her if she can't find a way to connect to women while cooped up in a small house. Of course, the BB house is NOT the right place for this.


I hope she learns from this experience and not sweat the fact some people do not/will not like her. That's life. Some people are misunderstood, some are just bitches.

For her sake, she needs to brush this off so she does not ruin her big brother experience. She's a lot smarter and better-looking than the coked-up ferret we call Ashleigh - no use letting that fool ruin your time.

I was in a boys only school so I know how groups of guys behave....but Id be interested to know if groups of women generally do behave like this?

[WozMan]

Poor dinkums has a chronic problem with needing to be liked by everybody. Such a shame on such a bubbly girl.

Also: best looking girl still in there imho. My original 'Snog Marry Avoid' would have been Victoria, Lauren, Lydia

[sarakss]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

I was in a boys only school so I know how groups of guys behave....but Id be interested to know if groups of women generally do behave like this?

Absolutely, and we are so much worse.

I went to boarding school and we used to have these things call 'bitch sessions'. What happens is a few girls pick out someone who's awkward, weird, weak - something. You call her into a room with about 5-8 people and tell her everything you don't like about her - you complain about the way she eats, dresses, bring up irrelevant things she did, etc. You break her down, make her cry, console her, tell her she's your friend and get her into the group. Just a small group of silly girls and the friendship was not that exclusive within the group.

The funniest part was when these girls made the mistake of targeting me - 1 vs 7 - I walked out there laughing, and some were crying.

I know this sounds crazy, but we were still friends after this. We were like 14/15 at the time, and it was just girls being bitchy girls. They weed out the weak and exploit them.

Most grow out of it, others end up like the girls you see there.

[maryse12]

I really liked Lauren in the beginning but this 'victim' cry is getting old. The only person who I believe TRULY doesn't like Lauren is Ashleigh. Plus I can't stand Ashleigh's so I'll be glad when she's nominated & booted!

[jyunga]

Why can't people just be upset that a group of people in the house dislike them for no real reason? I'd probably be upset if i was in there and all the guy dislike me for no good reason. I'd be wondering what I did and trying to fit in cause it'd be pretty damn lonely not being able to have fun like everyone else.

[Scotty07]

She's lovely imo, nothing to do with the vile Ashleigh, Luke S and co. I just love her facial expressions, voice and laugh. Adorable. She didn't sign up for that ****.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by maryse12

I really liked Lauren in the beginning but this 'victim' cry is getting old.

I can understand that, but its worth having a think about the word "victim"...

Imagine being trapped in a very small house, with no contact with the outside world. Living there with a dozen strangers and having no communication with the people that ground you in life, friends or family.

Now imagine that you've done your best to get along with everyone. You haven't gotten involved in any arguments, you have been a team player. But half the house are out to get you. And you have no idea why.

Whats worse is that you are aware the world is watching. So whatever you did to upset these people has been seen by everyone you know and millions you don't.

Yet your HM's are fairly nice to you on a face to face basis. None have complained or pointed out any issues. You are trapped in a bubble of people being nice, who seem to hate you.

Just a thought...

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by kefln

I can understand that, but its worth having a think about the word "victim"...

Imagine being trapped in a very small house, with no contact with the outside world. Living there with a dozen strangers and having no communication with the people that ground you in life, friends or family.

Now imagine that you've done your best to get along with everyone. You haven't gotten involved in any arguments, you have been a team player. But half the house are out to get you. And you have no idea why.

Whats worse is that you are aware the world is watching. So whatever you did to upset these people has been seen by everyone you know and millions you don't.

Yet your HM's are fairly nice to you on a face to face basis. None have complained or pointed out any issues. You are trapped in a bubble of people being nice, who seem to hate you.

Just a thought...

kefln, you are a very intelligent and insightful poster. It's a pleasure to see you on these boards. The word "victim" is sadly over-used too frequently today, especially in the context of reality shows...but I think your summary above really shows a progression into paranoia. Great post.