[Redway]

In response to your post about not saying you can't be friends with a gay person because you don't agree with their views: just no.

So I have to agree with everything someone does to like the person? Is that what you're saying?

For exaple, I have Muslim friends. I don't agree with what they do but that has no correlation between their friendship with me. As I said, I don't agree with what they do but I'm still friends with them.

The same logic can be applied to other examples. If a friend I know watches something I don't like, what makes you think I'll be sad enough to dismiss the person as a whole because I don't watch a show they watch?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Those aren't the best examples. My next door neighbour doesn't think homosexuality is natural and in a way finds it "weird" still. She's in her 60's so obviously stuck in her ways. But she doesn't have anything against gay people and wouldn't treat them any differently, she just doesn't understand it.

there's nothing to understand. Thinking gay people are any different from anyone else is the problem.

does your next door neighbor also think that inter-racial relationships are unnatural?

It's the same bigotry.

[Tom4784]

There's no reason not to really, more people getting married means more money's being pumped into the economy. If the gays want to be unhappily married as well then I say let them.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

In response to your post about not saying you can't be friends with a gay person because you don't agree with their views: just no.

So I have to agree with everything someone does to like the person? Is that what you're saying?

For exaple, I have Muslim friends. I don't agree with what they do but that has no correlation between their friendship with me. As I said, I don't agree with what they do but I'm still friends with them.

The same logic can be applied to other examples. If a friend I know watches something I don't like, what makes you think I'll be sad enough to dismiss the person as a whole because I don't watch a show they watch.

do you have white christian friends that have done things that you disagree with?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

there's nothing to understand. Thinking gay people are any different from anyone else is the problem.

does your next door neighbor also think that inter-racial relationships are unnatural?

It's the same bigotry.

Of course there is. I could argue that you have the same attitude by not listening to or understanding other's views on the matter.

Inter-racial relationships are not comparable.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Of course there is. I could argue that you have the same attitude by not listening to or understanding other's views on the matter.

Inter-racial relationships are not comparable.

of course it's comparable, the same exact arguments you are making against gays are EXACTLY the same arguments used against inter-racial marriages.

Anyone who is against gay marriage is just as evil as the KKK arguments against inter-racial marriages.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's no reason not to really, more people getting married means more money's being pumped into the economy. If the gays want to be unhappily married as well then I say let them.

LOL, what a lovely sentiment, you don't support gay marriage because it's the right thing, you just support it cause it's good for the economy LMAO.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

of course it's comparable, the same exact arguments you are making against gays are EXACTLY the same arguments used against inter-racial marriages.

Anyone who is against gay marriage is just as evil as the KKK arguments against inter-racial marriages.

What complete and utter nonsense. I think you'll find that the KKK goes out of their way to stop what they disagree with from happening and are sad enough to join cults, wheareas the people I'm referring to (i.e. don't like the idea of being gay, etc, but have no issue with the people) simply don't like the idea but aren't sad and pathetic enough to stop it from happening.

I find it flabbergasting that you think you can even compare the two.

Originally Posted by lostalex

do you have white christian friends that have done things that you disagree with?

I do, actually.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

What complete and utter nonsense. I think you'll find that the KKK goes out of their way to stop what they disagree with from happening and are sad enough to join cults, wheareas the people I'm referring to (i.e. don't like the idea of being gay, etc, but have no issue with the people) simply don't like the idea but aren't sad and pathetic enough to stop it from happening.

I find it flabbergasting that you think you can even compare the two.


I do, actually.

sorry, but you'll find that most racist people back then didn't really hate blacks eigther, they just didn't speak up.
the fact that you think racism is worse than homophobia means that you ARE homophobic.

you are a BIGOT.

the fact that you think black people deserve more rights than homosexuals means you are a hateful bigot. this is now a fact.

We ALL desrrve EQUAL rights, what don't you understand about that???

please tell me what's so HARD to understand about the term EQUAL rights???

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

of course it's comparable, the same exact arguments you are making against gays are EXACTLY the same arguments used against inter-racial marriages.

Anyone who is against gay marriage is just as evil as the KKK arguments against inter-racial marriages.

From my example, my neighbour isn't evil and wanting gays killed. As I said above, she doesn't understand it.

Considering the argument that can be made for nature versus nurture, it isn't the same as inter-racial marriages. People can't choose their DNA, skin colour and who they're born to. But there is an argument that homosexuality isn't there from birth.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

of course it's comparable, the same exact arguments you are making against gays are EXACTLY the same arguments used against inter-racial marriages. Anyone who is against gay marriage is just as evil as the KKK arguments against inter-racial marriages.

Originally Posted by lostalex

do you have white christian friends that have done things that you disagree with?

Originally Posted by lostalex

sorry, but you'll find that most racist people back then didn't really hate blacks eigther, they just didn't speak up. the fact that you think racism is worse than homophobia means that you ARE homophobic. you are a BIGOT. the fact that you think black people deserve more rights than homosexuals means you are a hateful bigot. this is now a fact.

Are you being serious? Don't you ever accuse me of being a homophobic bigot and actually read my posts properly before forming ridiculous conclusions so that I have proof that you do know a thing or two about the English language. I never said that ethnic minorities deserve more rights than homosexuals. You're comparing two totally different scenarios - the KKK and the belief that homosexuality is wrong but having nothing against the people.

I said that the KKK people go out of their way and join cults because of their beliefs; on the other hand, the people I'm talking about simply have a belief that you don't like but they won't harm you or discriminate against you. You take a pick out of which is worse.

I find it sad that you think you can call me homophobic because I'm simply pointing out the truth - seeing as you've layed out pleothas upon pleothas of incredibly weak arguments - as well as the rest of your abortive traits that everyone argues - not in your favour - about.

[joeysteele]

I am just amazed that still in this modern age that someones sexuality even matters. I only look at people as to how they are as people,nothing else matters as far as I am concerned.

I may have misread this debate on here but I cannot see where Redway for instance has said he thinks any other grouping of society should be treated different to the gay groupings. I think everyone should have equal rights,even more so especially to things too that they will have to pay for to do anyway.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

LOL, what a lovely sentiment, you don't support gay marriage because it's the right thing, you just support it cause it's good for the economy LMAO.

The opposition won't suddenly support it because it's the right thing to do. You have to make them realise that gay marriages has it's benefits thus my economy point.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am just amazed that still in this modern age that someones sexuality even matters. I only look at people as to how they are as people,nothing else matters as far as I am concerned. I may have misread this debate on here but I cannot see where Redway for instance has said he thinks any other grouping of society should be treated different to the gay groupings. I think everyone should have equal rights,even more so especially to things too that they will have to pay for to do anyway.

Thank you. It seems there are some on here who labour to understand the context of a debate and to not throw their dollies out of the pram because somebody points out the truth to them.

[Redway]

By the way, Alex, why should it matter if I have white Christian friends who do things I disagree with? Why should the amount of pigment in their skin have anything to do with anything?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

Are you serious? If I'm taking A-level Engish, having attained the highest possible grade at GCSE English, then I clearly do have a grasp of the English language, thank you, so maybe you should get your facts right there.

Not everyone who believes that being gay is wrong necessarily hates the idea. In case you didn't realise, I'm on about the people who simply don't like the idea of being gay or gay marriage but doesn't mind the people. It does happen, you know.

It would also be appreciated if you would desist from saying I have no grasp of the English language whe I clearly do, otherwise you wouldn't be able to understand my posts now, would you?

People don't get to believe that being gay is wrong though, how can something natural be wrong? It's like saying "I believe that a person being born with blonde hair is wrong"

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by lostalex

sorry, but you'll find that most racist people back then didn't really hate blacks eigther, they just didn't speak up.
the fact that you think racism is worse than homophobia means that you ARE homophobic.

you are a BIGOT.

the fact that you think black people deserve more rights than homosexuals means you are a hateful bigot. this is now a fact.

We ALL desrrve EQUAL rights, what don't you understand about that???

please tell me what's so HARD to understand about the term EQUAL rights???

You're totally right, people agaisnt gay people/gay marriage think that it's somehow acceptable to think that. They believe that it's ok to think and say it because it's 'their opinion', but the second someone says anything agaisnt blacks, asians etc. there is an uproar

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

People don't get to believe that being gay is wrong though, how can something natural be wrong? It's like saying "I believe that a person being born with blonde hair is wrong"

I never for a second said being gay is natural. All I said is that some people still disagree with it, which is true. Whatever circumstances these things fall under, they are still opinions, whether you like them or not.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

You're totally right, people agaisnt gay people/gay marriage think that it's somehow acceptable to think that. They believe that it's ok to think and say it because it's 'their opinion', but the second someone says anything agaisnt blacks, asians etc. there is an uproar

I'm not the one who said gay marriage is wrong. I support it. However, others don't and they are allowed their views.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

I never for a second said being gay is natural. All I said is that some people still disagree with it, which is true. Whatever circumstances these things fall under, they are still opinions, whether you like them or not.

Yes but people can't 'disagree' with something which is FACT of life, some people are born straight, some people are born gay - that's the end of it. It's the same as a person saying they 'disagree' with someone being born black.

And people who don't agree with what I posed above are totally wrong and bigoted.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Yes but people can't 'disagree' with something which is FACT of life, some people are born straight, some people are born gay - that's the end of it. It's the same as a person saying they 'disagree' with someone being born black.

And people who don't agree with what I posed above are totally wrong and bigoted.

No, they disagree with what gays do.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

No, they disagree with what gays do.

But you can't disagree with it, they were born that way. Would you disagree with a black man for being black? No, and yes it is the same.

Bigot.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

By the way, Alex, why should it matter if I have white Christian friends who do things I disagree with? Why should the amount of pigment in their skin have anything to do with anything?

it matters because i havn't heard you defending people's "opinions" agaist yur white str8 christian friends that do wrong things.

If i was a muslim that said "i have a right to disagree with white christians" and therefore we should take rights away from str8 white christians, would you be defending that??? i don't think so. you'd be outraged, and you wouldn't be defending their right to bigotry.

WHy arn't you defending the muslims that want sharia law then? it's just their opinions right??

would you defend a law that said all women should wear a burqa just cause some epople have an "opinion" that women should be covered up??

[Saph]

In 10 years everyones gonna look back on this whole 'gays cant get married' thing and laugh about how silly it all was.

Its like black people being made to sit at the back of the bus, we look back now and think how stange and pathetic it was. If people want to get married, then why not let them? Personally I think marriage is outdated nowadays anyway... but still, its not fair how a benefit fraud druggie couple with 15 kids can get married or how Kim K got married for 70 days and yet happy couples who may have their whole lives ahead of them cannot.. Its all very bizarre.

[Saph]

although saying that, isnt Elton John married?