[InOne]

Originally Posted by RodHull

I disagree, If I were Deana Id prefer to know where I stand. Conor hates her and thats cool, at least she knows. Lauren and Luke A both think shes awful and have laughed about her behind her back all the while dripping their little comments in her ear to make sure shes onside. The reason shes more natural with them is cause they pretend they like her, but they actually dont (just watch previous HLs for proof)

Deana is gullible and easily led and shes desperate for friendship, they prey on that and to me thats FAR worse than even Conors vile comments. It makes her look stupid on TV and is humiliating. She felt awful when Becky lied for her task in the early weeks, imagine how she'll feel when shes sees her 'friends' all bitching about her and putting her up for Noms.

Also alot of Luke As assumptions are totally off the mark. Hes been convinced since day 1 that Luke S hates him, where as in fact Luke S rarely ever even mentions him. On tonights show he said if Blue had won the diary room he would have been up, hes totally wrong, hes convinced the other group want him and Lauren out. Where as its clear the two who'd have been up if Blue had won would be Deana and Becky + maybe Adam. Luke A and Lauren are not even on the other groups radar, he thinks people are always plotting against him but in fact Caroline is the only one (and only recently) who says much about him.

You seem to be painting Deana as some delicate little flower. She's far from that and not as naive as she comes across. The only time she's really been screwed was by Becky, and don't think she's had much to do with her since then. The fact is everyone has bitched about everyone, and I think a few snipes and noms here and there from the outsiders will be nothing compared to how she's going to feel about what Conor said about her. Also the rest of the insiders have been saying much more malcious things. I don't agree with what you think Lauren and co are doing and I definitely don't agree that's far worse than what Conor said, and as I said before, Deana is this naive delicate flower. Deana seems she can be quite cold and aloof at times, she is quite a success in India, and you can't make it by being some sweet innocent girl, she's also made it clear she's money minded.

Basically with Luke A, it just seems to be getting to him. This task has seemed to have made his mask slip a bit, it would appear he can't handle pressure or conflict well so he has to bitch. I don't think he's too bothered about Deana but I do think Lauren and Adam genuinely care about her. Deana probably knows she's not going to make friends for life in there, so she's going with the people she feels most comfortable with. I'm sure she'd rather be in the company of people that genuinely like her a bit, rather than Conor and the rest who snarl at her all day.

[Becker]

Originally Posted by InOne

The HM's have known what she's really like for ages. Especially when her noms talk get revealed, yet none of them have the guts to put her up still. It's clear she runs that house

She hasn't gone up because of a lack of guts, its just that they have had to prioritise. Cut off the head and the rest will fall. Lauren, Adam, Deana and Luke A have shown incredible courage and intelligence in dealing with the 'mob' and now it is paying off. She'll be up soon enough ... Gutless ... Hardly

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Becker

She hasn't gone up because of a lack of guts, its just that they have had to prioritise. Cut off the head and the rest will fall. Lauren, Adam, Deana and Luke A have shown incredible courage and intelligence in dealing with the 'mob' and now it is paying off. She'll be up soon enough ... Gutless ... Hardly

It may start to tumble, but the whole point of the thread is that Caroline seems to be getting her power back ready for next week.

[joeysteele]

Yes Caroline is correct as to Luke A, I am pleased she is working on that now.

[Becker]

I really don't think she has a foothold anywhere. As you said they know exactly what she is like, true enough and they will deal with her once they got rid of the big targets.

[lostalex]

It doesn't matter what she's right about, she's still a horrible nasty little brat. She does say some true things occassionally, but even a broken watch is right twice a day!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Becker

I really don't think she has a foothold anywhere. As you said they know exactly what she is like, true enough and they will deal with her once they got rid of the big targets.

Well she keeps shooting herself in the foot with this noms talk, that is what seems to be holding her back.

[Becker]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well she keeps shooting herself in the foot with this noms talk, that is what seems to be holding her back.

Spot on. The mad thing about it all is despite what history has taught in BB you have got to be smart and the big group are showing what they have in muscle they lack in brains. They are doomed.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Becker

Spot on. The mad thing about it all is despite what history has taught in BB you have got to be smart and the big group are showing what they have in muscle they lack in brains. They are doomed.

Well with the likes of Conor and Luke S, it was never going to go far. That's what usually happens though. The plastics dominate for the first few weeks and then gradually fall, apart from maybe one or two. We'll most likely being seeing Luke S and maybe Ashleigh in the final I'd think. Not like final 2 or anything, maybe final 5.

[lostalex]

I don't think Luke S. really is a plastic though
and i think that's why Ashliegh has always been uncomfortable with him.

I'm holding out hope for Luke S.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't think Luke S. really is a plastic though
and i think that's why Ashliegh has always been uncomfortable with him.

I'm holding out hope for Luke S.

Dunno, he's definitely more one of them than the other group. He doesn't seem like he can hold a convo in there with many of them though. Him and Ash have barely anything to speak about.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by InOne

Dunno, he's definitely more one of them than the other group. He doesn't seem like he can hold a convo in there with many of them though. Him and Ash have barely anything to speak about.

he's definitel;y committed to that group, but something in his eyes shows me that he hates it, he see's how stupid they are and how petty they are. every time Ashleigh comes out with one of her dumb statements, you can see him squirm, and you can tell he wishes he was around people who he could actually talk to on a level intellectual level, like adam and Luke A.

I don't think he fits in with connor and ashleigh at all.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

he's definitel;y committed to that group, but something in his eyes shows me that he hates it, he see's how stupid they are and how petty they are. every time Ashleigh comes out with one of her dumb statements, you can see him squirm, and you can tell he wishes he was around people who he could actually talk to on a level intellectual level, like adam and Luke A.

I don't think he fits in with connor and ashleigh at all.

He's probably worried about looking the bad guy if he chucks Ashleigh, what he doesn't realise is it would probably get him a lot more fans lol

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by InOne

He's probably worried about looking the bad guy if he chucks Ashleigh, what he doesn't realise is it would probably get him a lot more fans lol

I concur 100%

[DanielLuis]

Even though I prefer the outsiders I think she is right about him. If he continues this way he might be evicted soon.

[Indy]

I think that exchange had more to do with something else that was going on, but they didn't show them all as one big story. Caroline complaining that Sara had smoked all of everyone else's cigarettes, and her misunderstanding with Luke A was while she was yet again looking for someone else's tobacco. I wonder what the chances are that shortly before she went out to ask Luke A, other smokers had been out there complaining about her?

[Carniala]

Originally Posted by RodHull

Where as Luke A's and Laurens little attempts to go round winning votes from the floating voters is fine yeah? The way those two prey on Sara and Deana makes slightly nauseous. I dont even like Deana and Sara but the so called outsiders have used them for weeks now while secretly bitching about them and making them look stupid on national TV.

At least the insiders are up front and open about who they hate. The outsiders are gutless stirrers who enjoy manipulating people. None more so than Lauren, her convo with Deana was sickening.

'Yeah Deana your our friend come outside dont be on your own'

SO shes your friend now? So the two weeks you voted for her are forgotten yes? The endless bitching sessions you participated in led by Lydia are forgotten now yes? Yes of course they are cause now you all know the public saved her.

Outsiders my left bum cheek. They are just insiders V2.0... The only outsider is Deana basically.

I never liked Luke A from the moment he judged Luke S and decided he was nasty, without ever making any effort to ask him or talk to him, he expect Luke S to come talk to him and when he does, he says he is lying , or too little too late, When did HE made ANY effort to integrate with the group, he does to others what he wants the public to see as NASTY and discrimination, you cannot expect respect if you do not give it first.

ALSO the clear breach of Nomination fixing by him , Lauren, Deana and Becky was so obvious and the fact BB did not severely punish them, is clearly favoritism, and he does not deserve it, being a transgender is not an absolute sing of being a good human, he clearly made that one clear.

[smartalec2718]

I think Caroline is right about Luke A, but for the wrong reasons. The words she's saying are true but the conviction behind it is strategy rather than a genuine belief. She's just laying the groundwork to get him up next week, and I daresay she may pull it off, with help from Sara...which is all the more impressive considering she seems to have pulled Sara back in by being "right" about Luke A while simultaneously bitching about Sara to Scott. This girl plays so many angles simultaneously I get dizzy just watching her. I think the solution is to take nothing she says seriously.

[JeanP!]

Yes Luke A needs to go

[Roy Mars III]

now here is a worthy target for her to destroy

[Scream]

Oh Caroline.. the girl I love to hate.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

100% Right

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by Becker

Spot on. The mad thing about it all is despite what history has taught in BB you have got to be smart and the big group are showing what they have in muscle they lack in brains. They are doomed.

Shievonne talking to Deana and sowing doubts about Lauren will change things quite a lot.