[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Still not really answering my question but i'll leave it because I don't want to argue with you

We'll have to agree to this agree about this matter.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kefln

She said sorry about slagging him over the button and a few hours later she started slagging him over the free pass. Not exactly the same thing, but both to his face, in the open and in front of others.

He's a big boy, if he can't take a little ribbing...

It was a 'little ribbing' in your opinion, in my opinion and in others it was cruel taunting. He is a big boy and all in all he has taken it very graciously - and he doesn't seem to be holding it against her. He's a bigger person than she will ever be.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jet

It was a 'little ribbing' in your opinion, in my opinion and in others it was cruel taunting. He is a big boy and all in all he has taken it very graciously - and he doesn't seem to be holding it against her. He's a bigger person than she will ever be.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by jet

She didn't take the fight to the biggest guy in the house - that was Conor and she didn't take any fight to him. Luke A is a sensitive, gentle kind of guy - many here call him a 'wuss' so he is far from a threat.
By the way, in the new task Luke S helps Deana to remove her boots and lets her go first into the tunnel like a gentleman. Adam was long gone and Luke A helped Luke S get out of his costume and didn't even glance at Deana to see if she needed any help. Luke S is forgiving and kind - not vindictive like Deana.

I'll give you that, Luke has a huge sensitive side.

For the most part I like the guy, he seems to be a generally nice guy. His showmance annoys me and there have been a few things that soured me to him. But my main problem with him is/was his company, I really don't like alot of the insiders.

However...

Deana is showing all the signs of a person who has been repressed and is suddenly freed. She is laughing, running, speaking out. From almost the first days in the house she was picked on by the others. Blatantly, by an entire group. She wasn't afraid to stand her ground, but her actions of the past few days are proof as to how guarded and tense she has been.

On the other hand Luke S has had a great time. He has been surrounded by friends and hasn't had much to worry about, apart from missing his protein shakes.

Since both Conor and Becky have left, Deana has lashed out at the two remaining members of the insiders. Ash and Luke. The argument with Ash was, in my opinion, far more aggressive. Almost pointing out that she wasn't going to be walked on any more. Even calling Ash out for running to the rest of the group to bitch, which has been the standard approach of the HM's this year. From the outside this row came from nothing, but it had been building for weeks.

Her approach with Luke S is more ribbing than anything else. She started about slagging him about the money, the days hot topic, then apologised. She then moved on to the free pass. Again her actions are those of someone trying to prove that they aren't afraid of what would happen anymore.

It is important that both of these things were said to him face to face, in the group, mostly while she was laughing. Had someone like Arron or Conor said it, chances are Luke would have laughed it off himself and told them to ****** off. But its coming from Deana, someone who he has slated while in the comfort of his click. And he really doesn't seem to know how to react, because while she ribbing him, she isn't really being offensive. She's just being direct about real time events.

We've seen Deana tackle things head on before, she tried to sort things out with Conor and he shot her completely down, twice. She tackled Becky in the bed room and all that came of it was more bitching.

Luke S is a sensitive guy and yes Deana could be more subtle. But nothing that she has said has been cruel. And the guy presents himself as an Alpha male. P*ss taking is a standard among any group of men, surely he should be able to take it on the shoulder?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by jet

It was a 'little ribbing' in your opinion, in my opinion and in others it was cruel taunting. He is a big boy and all in all he has taken it very graciously - and he doesn't seem to be holding it against her. He's a bigger person than she will ever be.

You mean the girl that has held her head up throughout the entire show?

And since when is it cruel to slag someone off for winning a prize? His free pass isn't a sore point, its something that he has admitted to being happy with.

The button thing was direct, he was hurting over it. But it was the topic of the day and WE WHERE ALL THINKING IT. He tried to take the 50K, but conor was faster. Deana is the only one willing to say it to his face. And she was slagging him over it. Ok, it was too soon, but had it been someone else he would have taken it at face value...

[cheapbbfan]

Yes she is. Deana's a bitch

[toronto_matt]

Originally Posted by kefln

You mean the girl that has held her head up throughout the entire show?

And since when is it cruel to slag someone off for winning a prize? His free pass isn't a sore point, its something that he has admitted to being happy with.

The button thing was direct, he was hurting over it. But it was the topic of the day and WE WHERE ALL THINKING IT. He tried to take the 50K, but conor was faster. Deana is the only one willing to say it to his face. And she was slagging him over it. Ok, it was too soon, but had it been someone else he would have taken it at face value...

some people are just way to dense to understand what you just wrote..

i agree 100% tho

[jet]

Originally Posted by kefln

You mean the girl that has held her head up throughout the entire show?

And since when is it cruel to slag someone off for winning a prize? His free pass isn't a sore point, its something that he has admitted to being happy with.

The button thing was direct, he was hurting over it. But it was the topic of the day and WE WHERE ALL THINKING IT. He tried to take the 50K, but conor was faster. Deana is the only one willing to say it to his face. And she was slagging him over it. Ok, it was too soon, but had it been someone else he would have taken it at face value...

Yes, that is the crucial point. If had been someone else they wouldn't have done it the WAY she did...it is not what she does, it is the WAY she does it. She was mocking him, throwing back her head and laughing, going on and on about it. She was not just willing to say it to his face, she was willing to humiliate him. Someone else might just have said it, but she had to do it in the most belittling way possible. IMO she thinks she can act however she likes not because she has been 'freed' (what a load of crap that is) but because she is an arrogant bitch with a coldness and cruelty about her at times which is quite disturbing.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

some people are just way to dense to understand what you just wrote..

i agree 100% tho

No need to be so rude just because people don't agree with you. It's not the first time you do it either.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kefln

Its not twisting, in anyway shape or form...

Slagging #1: Said in company, while laughing, topic: not pressing the button faster. Which was the topic that had dominated most of the conversations of the day.

Slagging #2: Said in company, while laughing, topic: the free pass to the final. Something that he has admitted to being happy with, despite being p*ssed at not winning the money.

Both of these have been said in the open, in front of people, not behind his back.

Far worse has been said in that house and most of it behind peoples back. The problem here isn't whats being said, its that for the first time Luke S is being challenged and not by another Alpha, but by someone half his size. He just doesn't seem to know how to react.

So it's ok to insult and mock someone as long as it's not behind their back? Ok then

[jet]

Originally Posted by InOne

So it's ok to insult and mock someone as long as it's not behind their back? Ok then

I was thinking the same thing. Pathetic, isn't it?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jet

I was thinking the same thing. Pathetic, isn't it?

I think it's wrong in both cases.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kefln

Its not twisting, in anyway shape or form...

Slagging #1: Said in company, while laughing, topic: not pressing the button faster. Which was the topic that had dominated most of the conversations of the day.

Slagging #2: Said in company, while laughing, topic: the free pass to the final. Something that he has admitted to being happy with, despite being p*ssed at not winning the money.

Both of these have been said in the open, in front of people, not behind his back.

Far worse has been said in that house and most of it behind peoples back. The problem here isn't whats being said, its that for the first time Luke S is being challenged and not by another Alpha, but by someone half his size. He just doesn't seem to know how to react.

I'd like to know what is the relevance is of 'someone half his size'. I don't know what size has got to do with it when someone is taunting you unless you are planning on punching them and hoping you pack a stronger one than they do.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by InOne

So it's ok to insult and mock someone as long as it's not behind their back? Ok then

"You have a free pass to the final" - "you've got a golden ticket" yeah...thats an insult that will go down in history!

"You should have pressed the button faster" - another cracker...and exactly what Luke S was thinking himself, hence the cursing in the white room, along with the throwing of stuff and kicking of walls. All Deana said was what everyone, including the fans, were thinking.

These really aren't insults are they? She was slagging him. He mightn't like it, but he's a big boy, I'm sure he's had worse said to him...

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kefln

"You have a free pass to the final" - "you've got a golden ticket" yeah...thats an insult that will go down in history!

"You should have pressed the button faster" - another cracker...and exactly what Luke S was thinking himself, hence the cursing in the white room, along with the throwing of stuff and kicking of walls. All Deana said was what everyone, including the fans, were thinking.

These really aren't insults are they? She was slagging him. He mightn't like it, but he's a big boy, I'm sure he's had worse said to him...

Yeah, but the first one she wouldn't let it lie, she kept on and on. And the second she has an awful patonising sneering tone.

It's not what she said, it's how she said it and how she went about it.

[lanatasha]

she's not A bully, but she HAS BEEN a bully.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I just don't agree with the eye for an eye thing.

That's very noble, but also quite ironic from a Connor supporter, as he'd been taking revenge on Deana for the last few weeks because she nominated him on the first night.

[gravity]

Are you serious ?

[the truth]

yes she is a bully , worse still shes a hypocrite whos preached against group bullying yet given her chance she does the exact same herself. congratulations to adam and luke a for resisting this temptation and remaining true to themselves and their principles. adam especially who stodd up to the biggest bullies of all, conor and arron....deana will win sadly because shes managed by shilpa shettys agent and stuck to her rigid gameplan of getting into as many arguments as possible and trying to make serself look like a victim....self pity usually gets headlines and usually wins big brother , sadly....adam never played the victim card even though his life has been infinitely tougher than deanas....big respect to adam

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes she is a bully , worse still shes a hypocrite whos preached against group bullying yet given her chance she does the exact same herself. congratulations to adam and luke a for resisting this temptation and remaining true to themselves and their principles. adam especially who stodd up to the biggest bullies of all, conor and arron....deana will win sadly because shes managed by shilpa shettys agent and stuck to her rigid gameplan of getting into as many arguments as possible and trying to make serself look like a victim....self pity usually gets headlines and usually wins big brother , sadly....adam never played the victim card even though his life has been infinitely tougher than deanas....big respect to adam

stop worrying,Deana cannot win, impossible

[InOne]

Originally Posted by gravity

Are you serious ?

Very serious.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah, but the first one she wouldn't let it lie, she kept on and on. And the second she has an awful patonising sneering tone.

It's not what she said, it's how she said it and how she went about it.

yes I agree, some may call it patronising, I call it bullying, when you are KNOWINGLY making someone feels bad and carry on doing it, its bullying

[the truth]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

yes I agree, some may call it patronising, I call it bullying, when you are KNOWINGLY making someone feels bad and carry on doing it, its bullying

of course it is....but when a woman does it to a man its NEVER called bullying

[InOne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

yes I agree, some may call it patronising, I call it bullying, when you are KNOWINGLY making someone feels bad and carry on doing it, its bullying

Yep, we're on 21 pages now and all I've seen is a pretty poor defence.

[DanielLuis]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

yes I agree, some may call it patronising, I call it bullying, when you are KNOWINGLY making someone feels bad and carry on doing it, its bullying

Then, why dont you call that to other certain people?
That's the problem with you - you're biased as hell.