[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

We've all had dinner brought for us honey! But we don't necessarily strike that type of a bargain when we do. Some guys just like to think their entitled. Mistakenly. Illegally. Criminally.

Tell me about it, we've all had that stunned mullet face when you say goodnight...Like they think they paid for more than chicken in a basket!

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Tell me about it, we've all had that stunned mullet face when you say goodnight...Like they think they paid for more than chicken in a basket!

.... with money off coupons!!

[tonysoprano0316]

It's hilarious reading all the bitter and jealous women on here calling Danica a "prostitute" and a "sex worker".

Did none of you watch the Sex Lies And Rinsing Guys show?

There was three girls featured, two of which met up with guys and were glorified escorts, Danica was featured because she was the most famous of the three girls yet did the least and made the most money.

Also, she doesn't "flash her bits" on cam, she basically chats to lonely blokes, they are paying her and buying her gifts in exchange for her being nice to them, she's not performing sex acts in her bedroom on webcam or anything, the men pay her to be their "extremely pretty online friend".

Yes it is quite sad that the men are reduced to this, but in no way is she a "sex worker" or a "prostitute".

She was (and still is to my knowledge) a glamour model appearing in all the top lads mags, hence the interest in her from large groups of men, if you go online you can find any number of good looking girls to "flash their bits" on cam for you, Danica has found a niche where all she does is chat to them and offer "friendship".

I'm not in favour of it, I think it is exploitative and taking advantage of men with low self esteem, but it definitely isn't prostitution.

And for those women who are justifying labelling her a prostitute by saying things like "Sex workers are human beings who exploit their sexuality" are talking utter crap.

By that logic, every girl who flutters her eyelashes at a bloke on a night out and gets a drink bought is a sex worker.

Are you telling me that none of you women have "exploited your sexuality" or flirted with a man in order to get a drink bought?

If you don't like the woman, fair enough, but at least give reasons why you dislike her rather than saying things that make it blatantly obvious you are jealous of her looks.

Plus, how hypocritical is it to call Danica a "sex worker" while simultaneously defending Jasmine?

On the very show that made her famous (Make Me A Supermodel) she bragged of her lesbian affairs, she is in the house for having affairs with Simon Cowell and Cristiano Ronaldo.

Are you saying that ISN'T an example of "exploiting her sexuality" in order to get ahead in the celebrity world?

[Gillian-73]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Tell me about it, we've all had that stunned mullet face when you say goodnight...Like they think they paid for more than chicken in a basket!

Absolutely this ^^^^

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316

It's hilarious reading all the bitter and jealous women on here calling Danica a "prostitute" and a "sex worker".

Jealousy and bitterness from your perception but believe it or not some women don't aspire to be like her. You might find that hard to believe but trust me it's true.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, no. A prostitute by definition sells sex. Danica has never sold sex in any way shape or form.

Saying Danica is a prostitute is like calling An author that writes erotic fiction a prostitute. she's selling the FANTASY, she' not selling any actual sex.

By your definition Jackie Collins is a prostitute.

Danica is a sex worker. Rinsing is a fetish. Many professional dominatrices don't touch anyone Yet their clients get off and they get paid and it's sexual.
I'd love to buy Thomas Kretschmann lots of gifts from his wish list. It would give me immense pleasure. Lots of pleasure. Although I am loathed to objectify him.
I don't believe the majority of J Collins' readers are seeking physical contact with her or just her direct attention. Nor are they looking to get off at the turning of every page. I loved Lady Boss but it doesn't even begin to match being rinsed by Thomas.

[tonysoprano0316]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Jealousy and bitterness from your perception but believe it or not some women don't aspire to be like her. You might find that hard to believe but trust me it's true.

I'm not saying women should aspire to be like her, I'm not in favour of what she does, I'm not in favour of MOST of the occupations that 90% of the Celebrity Big Brother housemates do, the vast majority of them are famous for questionable reasons, kiss and tells etc.

But calling someone a "sex worker" when they clearly aren't is just stupidity.

First of all she isn't having sex with them, secondly she isn't doing anything sexual in front of them for them to get off to, thirdly they aren't getting off to it because if they were she would end the Skype session.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316

I'm not saying women should aspire to be like her, I'm not in favour of what she does, I'm not in favour of MOST of the occupations that 90% of the Celebrity Big Brother housemates do, the vast majority of them are famous for questionable reasons, kiss and tells etc.

But calling someone a "sex worker" when they clearly aren't is just stupidity.

First of all she isn't having sex with them, secondly she isn't doing anything sexual in front of them for them to get off to, thirdly they aren't getting off to it because if they were she would end the Skype session.

You are very knowlegable on the subject tony .

[tonysoprano0316]

Lots of models, both glamour and fashion have their own websites which require a paid membership to join, usually a monthly fee.

These sites will usually contain exclusive videos and pictures and a lot of them have the facility to talk to the model via Skype, either one on one or in a group where the model broadcasts to all of the members of the site.

Chances are, some of the blokes are getting themselves off.

As a result, does this make the model a sex worker?

Sorry but if the blokes watching are getting themselves off over seeing the model on webcam or over their videos that is their prerogative, but it doesn't make the models sex workers or prostitutes.

[tonysoprano0316]

Originally Posted by kizzy

You are very knowlegable on the subject tony .

Obvious response, but these things are common knowledge.

Plus, I'm not gullible enough to pay Ł30 or whatever it is to talk to some girl online via a grainy webcam, there is far too much free porn online.

I'm not defending what Danica is doing, not many people are, when the programme was originally broadcast the vast majority of people frowned upon it and questioned the morality of having a wish list online and basically begging men to buy things for you.

But there is a big difference between prostitution and what she is doing.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316

Obvious response, but these things are common knowledge.

Plus, I'm not gullible enough to pay Ł30 or whatever it is to talk to some girl online via a grainy webcam, there is far too much free porn online.

I'm not defending what Danica is doing, not many people are, when the programme was originally broadcast the vast majority of people frowned upon it and questioned the morality of having a wish list online and basically begging men to buy things for you.

But there is a big difference between prostitution and what she is doing.

So what is the exchange? What are the punters getting for their gifts?
How does Danica's image feature in this trade? Dominatrices often do not touch their clients and their clients do not touch themselves.
You don't have to $$%^ to get off!
As you probably know Tony S has an office in the Bada Bing the girls are all "dancers" not sex workers too!!

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316

I'm not saying women should aspire to be like her, I'm not in favour of what she does, I'm not in favour of MOST of the occupations that 90% of the Celebrity Big Brother housemates do, the vast majority of them are famous for questionable reasons, kiss and tells etc.

But calling someone a "sex worker" when they clearly aren't is just stupidity.

First of all she isn't having sex with them, secondly she isn't doing anything sexual in front of them for them to get off to, thirdly they aren't getting off to it because if they were she would end the Skype session.

She's using her sexuality for material gain. The same way a "sex worker" does, but more out of greed rather than need. I don't see a rigid distinction between sex and flaunting sexuality for monetary gain in the way you do. They're both a form of prostitution.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

She's using her sexuality for material gain. The same way a "sex worker" does, but more out of greed rather than need. I don't see a rigid distinction between sex and flaunting sexuality for monetary gain in the way you do. They're both a form of prostitution.

I'm sorry I can't agree, if theres no physical contact then I don't see it as such. Wheres the harm.. wheres the risk?
Exploitation...Does nobody possess free will anymore?

[tonysoprano0316]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

So what is the exchange? What are the punters getting for their gifts?
How does Danica's image feature in this trade? Dominatrices often do not touch their clients and their clients do not touch themselves.
You don't have to $$%^ to get off!
As you probably know Tony S has an office in the Bada Bing the girls are all "dancers" not sex workers too!!

Who says they have to "get off" at all?

Who's to say these men aren't simply just lonely, emotionally and socially detached and want a pretty face to talk to?

As I said, I don't approve of it, I think it is exploitative.

But they're not sex workers, that's like saying glamour models are sex workers.

I know two girls who work in glamour modelling, one at a low level and one girl who is featured a lot in Nuts and Maxim etc.

Both of them are in long term relationships and are as far removed from the stereotype of "wannabe WAG" as can be, if you called them sex workers I guarantee they would chew you out for having the nerve to compare them to a prostitute.

Originally Posted by Gizmo

She's using her sexuality for material gain. The same way a "sex worker" does, but more out of greed rather than need. I don't see a rigid distinction between sex and flaunting sexuality for monetary gain in the way you do. They're both a form of prostitution.

Again, a glamour or fashion model can be said to be using their sexuality for material gain, they are using their bodies to make money by being photographed for magazines or advertisements, would you call them sex workers?

You're using black and white terms to describe something with a lot of grey area, you say "they're forms of prostitution", well that is like me saying "jumping really high is a form of flying".

It's not.

A prostitute or sex worker is someone who directly offers sexual favours in return for monetary gain.

A prostitute or sex worker IS NOT a fashion model, a glamour model or someone who talks to fans one on one via a webcam.

Yes, the only reason they are getting loads of men wanting to chat to them is because of their looks and sexuality, just like the only reason a glamour model is a glamour model is because of her looks and sexuality.

But unless she is directly exchanging sexual favours for money then she is not a sex worker and most certainly is not a prostitute.

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I'm sorry I can't agree, if theres no physical contact then I don't see it as such. Wheres the harm.. wheres the risk?
Exploitation...Does nobody possess free will anymore?

I don't see it in black and white - actual/virtual sexual contact. It's all about using the sex continuum for material gain. And I don't think there is any harm or wrong in prostitution as long as women are safe.

[tonysoprano0316]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I'm sorry I can't agree, if theres no physical contact then I don't see it as such. Wheres the harm.. wheres the risk?
Exploitation...Does nobody possess free will anymore?

Exactly, if these men want to spend their money on pretending they are best mates with Danica then what is the issue?

Yes it's not exactly an occupation you would be particularly proud of but it's Big Brother, the last series featured a woman who was in the house because she cheated on her husband with his brother for ten years!

Take away the "rinsing" and at least Danica can say she is a model, the most Natasha Giggs can say is "erm, well I'm REALLY good at sneaking around and lying to my husbands face".

[CharlieO]

Props to Danica because if I had a body and tits like that id be doing a lot worse. Plus she's just clever. If creeps are willing to pay why not. It is helping the economy.

But I love Jasmine. When she said '**** off, no **** of FOR REAYLLL' it was the best ever moment. On par with 'Chocolate spread, [looks to cam, looks to page, looks to cam], times....... 50!'

[Vanessa]

Either way i don't like what Danica does. I find it a bit sleazy.

[tonysoprano0316]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Either way i don't like what Danica does. I find it a bit sleazy.

Fair enough, but the labels sex worker and prostitute are wrong.

But this is Celebrity Big Brother, the majority of the contestants are involved in some form of sleaze, if they weren't they probably wouldn't be on the show.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316

Fair enough, but the labels sex worker and prostitute are wrong.

But this is Celebrity Big Brother, the majority of the contestants are involved in some form of sleaze, if they weren't they probably wouldn't be on the show.

I know, but she exploits people for money. I think it's wrong.

[CharlieO]

Wait i got it wrong. It was

"**** off, ****.. off, **** off you prick, who the **** do you think you are, YEA FOO REAL , **** off"

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I know, but she exploits people for money. I think it's wrong.

She doesn't exploit them, she utilises a situation. If people are going to offer why say no. They have a choice, no one forces them to.

Better for the economy anyway is lonely rich men spend it on her rather than leaving it in the bank.

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316

Exactly, if these men want to spend their money on pretending they are best mates with Danica then what is the issue?

Yes it's not exactly an occupation you would be particularly proud of but it's Big Brother, the last series featured a woman who was in the house because she cheated on her husband with his brother for ten years!

Take away the "rinsing" and at least Danica can say she is a model, the most Natasha Giggs can say is "erm, well I'm REALLY good at sneaking around and lying to my husbands face".

I agree with your point about lying to hubbie. But I'm not saying Danica's doing anything wrong, just that (a) we disagree on definition of prostitution and (b) I think a woman is letting the side down coz all she's offering is sexuality.

You said she's intelligent. I haven't seen it myself but would love to be enlightened. Are you confusing it with entrepreneurialism?

[tonysoprano0316]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

I agree with your point about lying to hubbie. But I'm not saying Danica's doing anything wrong, just that (a) we disagree on definition of prostitution and (b) I think a woman is letting the side down coz all she's offering is sexuality.

You said she's intelligent. I haven't seen it myself but would love to be enlightened. Are you confusing it with entrepreneurialism?

So you must have a low opinion of models then? And especially glamour models?

I see it as a job personally, I'm not going to make a judgement based on someone based on their occupation unless it is something diabolically horrible.

Just because someone is a traffic warden doesn't mean to say they are automatically going to be a tw*t in real life.

I never said she was intelligent either, nor do I think she is an entrepreneur.

I just think she is cashing in on something that not many models have thought of previously, there are tens of thousands of models online who start off as low level Nuts magazine girls, they then drop off the radar and think that the way to make money is to knock up a website and promise "hardcore XXX one on one webcam action" to make money.

But the reality is, there is a wealth of free porn online.

Danica has went in the opposite direction, instead catering for the lonely blokes who just want to chat to a pretty girl, this probably came about because of her natural "girl next door" looks (apart from her surgically enhanced chest of course), she's found a niche and according to that programme she was in, makes a lot of money for doing very little in comparison to the other girls on the show.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316

Danica has went in the opposite direction, instead catering for the lonely blokes who just want to chat to a pretty girl, this probably came about because of her natural "girl next door" looks (apart from her surgically enhanced chest of course), she's found a niche and according to that programme she was in, makes a lot of money for doing very little in comparison to the other girls on the show.

We can agree to disagree?
My definition of sex worker is someone who works in the sex industry and trades their sexual selves. I don't condemn it wholly. However I wouldn't raise a child to believe that their sexuality could remain undamaged and their self esteem raised by selling sex to strangers.
Danica is selling sex albeit without interaction (which I don't buy or believe by the way) She is trading intrigue arousal and fantasy based on her scantily clad form. SEX WORK. TRADING FAVOURS.