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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its not"normal' its chav talk, no one is born talking like a twat

stop judging him because he does not live up to your expectation. you are patronizing him and its unfair. we all have a right to talk how we want and how do you know how he talked when he was born or young? This "twat" talk is how he talks and how many people talk so can you stop judging him. whats your alternative? learn how to talk like you>

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by gravity

stop judging him because he does not live up to your expectation. you are patronizing him and its unfair. we all have a right to talk how we want and how do you know how he talked when he was born or young? This "twat" talk is how he talks and how many people talk so can you stop judging him. whats your alternative? learn how to talk like you>

Hes in CBB to be judged, as they all are

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Hes in CBB to be judged, as they all are

fair to say, but not over his voice. something I expect not to change. judge his personality, past, even his career.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Rubbish. Proper Londoners don't speak like gangsters!? It's an imported fad, fake and idiotic.

Rubbish. It's an actual London accent - most usually spoken by people under 30 from that area.

Originally Posted by Livia

Harvey's voice is affected. I come from London, I know how proper Londoners speak, and that aint it. I know lots of kids who talk like that who's parents are proper Cockney, but the kids speak like little Jamaican gangsters because their friends do. I know black kids who speak like that who's parents speak with a proper east London accent, and more hilariously, I know white kids who speak like that who've never been twenty miles outside the capital.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its not"normal' its chav talk, no one is born talking like a twat

You are. It's a regional accent. It may have only evolved in the past 20 years but it's still a regional accent so I suggest you pick up a book and get your facts right before you start spouting ignorant, offensive bile on here.

In fact, all your posts on this thread have been so ill-informed that you sound more uneducated than you think these people you're describing do.

[ConnieLingus]

Originally Posted by Redway

Nonsense. It's an actual London accent - most usually spoken by people under 30 from that area.
Exactly.

You are. It's a regional accent. It may have only evolved in the past 20 years but it's still a regional accent so I suggest you pick up a book and get your facts right before you start spouting ignorant, offensive bile on here.

In fact, all your posts on this thread have been so ill-informed that you sound more uneducated than you think these people you're describing do.

If it's an actual London accent, why is it that I can tell black people talking on the radio when they come out with that shi te accent?

It's horrendous.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ConnieLingus

If it's an actual London accent, why is it that I can tell black people talking on the radio when they come out with that shi te accent?

It's horrendous.

So you're saying that being black people automatically rules them out for speaking with traditional London accents? Wow. You have a long way to go.

I've encountered loads of blacks who have Cockney accents and whites who speak 'Jafaican'. Different people have different accents. Smart people don't take to it automatically. Saying 'how cum I can tell blacks speaking on the radio' is not empirical evidence at all to speak for an entire race. Entirely anecdotal.

As for the 'it's horrendous' bit: so? I personally like the accents and find them quite colourful. It's all down to subjectivity and personal taste as to whether you like these accents but they are London accents. What if I said I don't like Cockney accents? Does that mean that I'd be absolutely justified and incisive in saying that they're not proper London accents?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicu...London_English
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...ns-422688.html
http://dialectblog.com/2011/11/03/mu...ral-london-oo/

[ConnieLingus]

Originally Posted by Redway

Not all black people talk with that accent, though. Plenty of whites talk like that. As I said, skin colour doesn't come into accent at all. Fact. End. No discussion here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicu...London_English
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...ns-422688.html
http://dialectblog.com/2011/11/03/mu...ral-london-oo/

When I listen to interviews on radio, it turns out 99% of the time that I can tell by the way they talk, whether they are white or black.

Sorry that goes against your theory.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by ConnieLingus

When I listen to interviews on radio, it turns out 99% of the time that I can tell by the way they talk, whether they are white or black.

Sorry that goes against your theory.

Did you actually read my post? What about all the times I've heard white people with the exact same accents as you're describing? Or is that somehow different and are your personal experiences the only substantial ones?

[ConnieLingus]

Originally Posted by Redway

Did you actually read my post? What about all the times I've heard white people with the exact same accents as you're describing? Or is that somehow different and are your personal experiences the only substantial ones?

I'm just saying that I can tell 99% of the time whether someone is white or black when they speak on the radio.

Are you saying I'm wrong for some reason?