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One thing is for sure the forums seem alot quieter , much fewer interesting threads to look through and think about

thread A - Martin is boring
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thread C - Julie is two-faced
thread D - Julie is a legend ....

Dani drove the show
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Another blonde bimbo with big boobies and a showmance or two.

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Another blonde bimbo with big boobies and a showmance or two.

Yawn.
She was actively not looking for a showmance. She turned them down.
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She was actively not looking for a showmance. She turned them down.
Yes, her rejection technique is unique. Tweaking Mike's nipples and sticking her face in Lorenzo's crotch sooo doesn't send out the wrong message
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One thing is for sure the forums seem alot quieter , much fewer interesting threads to look through and think about

thread A - Martin is boring
thread B - Julie to go
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Dani drove the show
it's been that way since Jasmine left, Danica was boring as the rest of them
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it's been that way since Jasmine left, Danica was boring as the rest of them
Thats not true, there have been loads of discussions about the morality of how Danica makes a living. It was fascinating to see how everyone now seems to have an opinion on someone who no one even knew before the series started.
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Jasmine was amazing yet she was hated on this forum. I hope you all regret voting her out you all deserve this.
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turn over then - i am gripped even more so - never liked the money grabber anyway - much more interesting now.
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i enjoyed danica on the show, her being able to play a player like mike and the prince almost as an afterthought was impressive, i could care less if she made some lesbian porn, not a big deal really
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Yes, her rejection technique is unique. Tweaking Mike's nipples and sticking her face in Lorenzo's crotch sooo doesn't send out the wrong message
If they can't handle a bit of harmless flirting it's not her problem
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She was actively not looking for a showmance. She turned them down.
I wish I could be rejected by more women in the way she rejected the lads. Pressing her naked body up against the see through shower screen and whatnot.
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I wish I could be rejected by more women in the way she rejected the lads. Pressing her naked body up against the see through shower screen and whatnot.
Definitely, at least she gives you a good tease before she becomes the ice queen.
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Credit where it's due, she's brilliant at what she does. Made absoloute mugs of Lorenzo and Mike, reeled them in so much they were both sat crying in the diary room after she quite rightly got the boot.

Still glad she's gone. Had nothing else to her but her boobs and a showmance or two.
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Yes, her rejection technique is unique. Tweaking Mike's nipples and sticking her face in Lorenzo's crotch sooo doesn't send out the wrong message
Posts like this have a chilling subtext... makes me wonder how close people are to saying 'she asked for it' if she were raped.

Despite frankly ridiculous flirting she always maintained nothing would happen, and never actually did anything beyond some flirty touching and that was very rare. That IS NOT the same as asking for it, or leading someone on...

Mike was a child who couldn't accept rejection... period
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Posts like this have a chilling subtext... makes me wonder how close people are to saying 'she asked for it' if she were raped.
Steady on chap. Daft thing to say. We all know what Danica wants - one of Lorenzos mansions or palaces. She was happy to showmance with Mike until she realised that Lorenzo was indeed a prince and thus his family probably have large amounts of land and other wealth.

She couldn't drop Mike quick enough after that.
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Steady on chap. Daft thing to say. We all know what Danica wants - one of Lorenzos mansions or palaces. She was happy to showmance with Mike until she realised that Lorenzo was indeed a prince and thus his family probably have large amounts of land and other wealth.

She couldn't drop Mike quick enough after that.
And yet it was Mike and coleen she said special goodbyes to when evicted, your theory falls apart a bit there... besides thats all hearsay and assumption.

My point was deeper than that, this frankly sickly assumption that cause she was flirty with two men she was leading them on, this assumption that men are just one step away from animals and that if given a half signal they cant be held responsible for their behaviour. Like they are innocents caught in her web, its the same sort of thinking (albeit taken further) that leads to people claiming that rape victims were asking for it cause they flirted with them.

Its a subtext of sexism that has run throughout this CBB and its really ugly.
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My point was deeper than that, this frankly sickly assumption that cause she was flirty with two men she was leading them on, this assumption that men are just one step away from animals and that if given a half signal they cant be held responsible for their behaviour. Like they are innocents caught in her web, its the same sort of thinking (albeit taken further) that leads to people claiming that rape victims were asking for it cause they flirted with them.

Its a subtext of sexism that has run throughout this CBB and its really ugly.
Nobody with any sense is saying that. However if you think what Danica does is "harmless flirting" you're mental. She lives a very good life manipulating lonely men and getting money and gifts for the trouble. She absoloutely was leading them on, just like the hundreds, possibly thousands, of men who have given her "gifts" for her friendship.

Your assumption that anyone who thinks she is leading them on would readily say a woman dressing a certain way invites rape is extremely insulting. Rape is vile, one of the worst things that can happen to any person, male or female. However it has nothing to do with Danica and her proclaimed "rinsing" of guys.

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Nobody with any sense is saying that. However if you think what Danica does is "harmless flirting" you're mental. She lives a very good life manipulating lonely men and getting money and gifts for the trouble. She absoloutely was leading them on, just like the hundreds, possibly thousands, of men who have given her "gifts" for her friendship.

Your assumption that anyone who thinks she is leading them on would readily say a woman dressing a certain way invites rape is extremely insulting. Rape is vile, one of the worst things that can happen to any person, male or female. However it has nothing to do with Danica and her proclaimed "rinsing" of guys.
First she never claimed to 'rinse guys' that was a title added to the show afterward. If you watch it she is quite nice about the guys she speaks to, certainly not disdainful or hateful toward them.

Second I never said you think that, I said its a chilling subtext... totally different.

And I see it as exactly the same thing, one if just taken to an extreme. But its this subtext that a man is so led by his d**k and that women are there for mens pleasure. If not then why should it matter if she walked around naked all day? If she says NO it means NO... end of story

I dont see how anyone with an ounce of intelligence cant see the connection in the two thought processes.

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RodHull is 100% right. It's one rule for men and another for women when it comes to BB.
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First she never claimed to 'rinse guys' that was a title added to the show afterward. If you watch it she is quite nice about the guys she speaks to, certainly not disdainful or hateful toward them.
Why in the world would she be disdainful or hateful toward them?!? They pay for her lavish lifestyle!

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Second I never said you think that, I said its a chilling subtext... totally different.
You said you wondered how close it is that people would think that. In that case I'm one of the people you are referring to, and I find it insulting. Rape is not something to try and score points with or make some daft comparison to. Any decent human being with feelings will feel the exact same way about rape. Many of the people who believe she led the admittedly gullible boys on are nearly all decent human beings presumably like yourself. We have as much disdain for the crime as you do even if we do think Danica uses her good looks and male stupidity and naivety to lead a lavish lifestyle.

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And I see it as exactly the same thing, one if just taken to an extreme. But its this subtext that a man is so led by his d**k and that women are there for mens pleasure. If not then why should it matter if she walked around naked all day? If she says NO it means NO... end of story

I dont see how anyone with an ounce of intelligence cant see the connection in the two thought processes.
She said no.. to what? A sexual engagement with either of the boys? A serious relationship with the boys? Did either of those things happen? No they didn't, but she certainly led them on to believe they may happen. You could tell when she asked Lorenzo what kind of girl he would like to be with she knew precisely how he would answer. She wants his phone number after the show because she wants a title and a mansion.

The boys are not blameless, and like I said, they behaved like complete mugs and made fools of themselves. However Danica Thrall's flirting was most certainly not harmless. Everyone knows what she does and how she goes about it.

That's not even getting into the fact she's already got a bloke on the outside.

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So much contradiction in that post...

But lets get down to brass tacks.

She made it clear repeatedly that no relationship would happen. Now whether she chose to drape herself over Mikes bed while naked it shouldn't matter. She had told him no, end of story. What he did was read into her behaviour that despite her words what she wanted was something else...

WHICH IS PRECISELY the same defense most date rape defendants use. "Oh yes she said that, but I could tell from her behaviour she wanted me"

Which is basically what Mike thought. Now like I said before, im not directly comparing the two, Im merely pointing out the link in thought process (which is clear) If that offends you then to bad Im afraid. Im not using it as point scoring, I genuinely feel this series has shown our society is just as backward and sexist as it always has been, women judged totally differently from men still and this inherent imbalance in society is the same reason so few rape cases end in conviction.

Ive served on a jury in a rape case, know family members who been through it as well, and the attitudes of people are shocking. Trust me its the same base opinions that drive this perception that she is some evil queen who leads men on and is immoral. The idea that women are somehow to blame for mens behaviour... and its bulls**t
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I didn't think this series could get any worse, but since Danicas gone it's unbelievably dull.
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So much contradiction in that post...

But lets get down to brass tacks.

She made it clear repeatedly that no relationship would happen. Now whether she chose to drape herself over Mikes bed while naked it shouldn't matter. She had told him no, end of story. What he did was read into her behaviour that despite her words what she wanted was something else...
So to you, a woman draping themselves naked over you, whispering all sorts of things into your ear, is not leading someone on? Seriously? I mean, seriously? Don't forget she never said no to Mike at all, she only wanted nothing from him after she'd gotten cozy with Lorenzo and it had clicked he was actually a very wealthy man.

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Which is basically what Mike thought. Now like I said before, im not directly comparing the two, Im merely pointing out the link in thought process (which is clear) If that offends you then to bad Im afraid. Im not using it as point scoring, I genuinely feel this series has shown our society is just as backward and sexist as it always has been, women judged totally differently from men still and this inherent imbalance in society is the same reason so few rape cases end in conviction.
They are not in any way similar. One is a crime, a very serious one. A crime that is only carried out by the most horrible dregs of our society. The other is a play made by an incredibly good looking woman to a wealthy man (something she has plenty of previous for) and he committed no crime. Did nothing wrong. She said no (after starting up the showmance with Lorenzo) and he did nothing. He was gutted but nothing more. They are not similar in any way, and it is not a similar thought process for any decent human being. Maybe for the scum who actually commit these crimes.

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She does lead men on. Simple as that. She takes advantage of the stupidity, and in some cases, loneliness, of men to get what she wants. She's very bloody good at it too. She's well equipped for it physically and mentally. There are men out there who do it to women too. It's not some anomaly that is only present in women.
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So to you, a woman draping themselves naked over you, whispering all sorts of things into your ear, is not leading someone on? Seriously? I mean, seriously? Don't forget she never said no to Mike at all, she only wanted nothing from him after she'd gotten cozy with Lorenzo and it had clicked he was actually a very wealthy man.
Right for one if we are going to have this conversation dont mix my extreme example up with real facts then apply them in some twisted way to what happened.

I was using the naked thing as an example. Ultimately if I had a female friend, who told me NOTHING was ever going to happen cause she had a boyfriend (Which she did indeed tell Mike repeatedly) even if she paraded around nude in front of me or cuddled me, or whatever I have been told NO so that means NO.

If I then chose to ignore those words and assume she wanted me anyway thats because my male ego cant accept she doesn't want me. Its cause I would be tricking myself into believing I had a chance despite being told otherwise. Its assuming that the things women say are somehow coded or designed to confuse us as men... THIS IS THE EXACT same thinking that leads to the inherent sexism in society and also to so many cases of date/friend rape, which are actually far more common than stranger rape. You mention they are only committed by dregs of society, you'd be surprised how many 'normal' men with good jobs, no criminal records rape friends or work colleagues cause of this sick 'mixed signals' bulls**t excuse, and often get away with it. No sorry rape is sadly much more commonplace than you think it is. And its usually people who you'd least expect who do it.

As for the last bit its again assumptions which are skirting around the issue I was bringing and largely irrelevent. However Id contest that she was probably clever enough on Day 1 Minute 1 to realise a man called PRINCE lorenzo was quite wealthy, and secondly she did indeed tell Mike many times she had a boyfriend, was happy and nothing would happen, what show where you watching?

She liked Lorenzo (he got it spot on) cause he acts like an adult/mature man who can be friends with a girl, even one hes attracted to and not expect anything else or get hurt or act like a whiny bitch when she doesn't deliver what he wants. Hes a grown up basically where as Mike, Harv and Ash are like bloody teenagers.

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They are not in any way similar. One is a crime, a very serious one. A crime that is only carried out by the most horrible dregs of our society. The other is a play made by an incredibly good looking woman to a wealthy man (something she has plenty of previous for) and he committed no crime. Did nothing wrong. She said no (after starting up the showmance with Lorenzo) and he did nothing. He was gutted but nothing more. They are not similar in any way, and it is not a similar thought process for any decent human being. Maybe for the scum who actually commit these crimes.
What are you going on about?? Forget the actual house for a moment, do you even understand what Im getting at? Im not comparing the two situations like for like, im saying the underlying opinions and emotions that drive the two situations are inherently linked... namely

1) That women trick and use men
2) That men are innocents or at worst fools who cant control their emotions
3) That women who are flirtatious or highly sexual somehow must be 'leading men on'
4) That men dealing with the above somehow have their behaviour and reactions excused because they are 'hurt' or feel cheated.

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She does lead men on. Simple as that. She takes advantage of the stupidity, and in some cases, loneliness, of men to get what she wants. She's very bloody good at it too. She's well equipped for it physically and mentally. There are men out there who do it to women too. It's not some anomaly that is only present in women.
Im well aware of this. I dont think its fair to say takes advantage. Thats like saying dating sites 'take advantage' of loneliness to earn money, I could make 100s of other similar examples. She provides a service for lonely men who want to chat to a good looking woman and maybe for a short time feel connected to someone. If you think thats taking advantage then you must judge 100s of other jobs and careers as equally odious?

If she promised sex, or physical meetings then never delivered that would be taking advantage. As it is all the men involved know they will never even meet her let alone go on a date with her.

If some of those men stupidly believe otherwise thats THEIR fault not hers. She just provides a service. Just like people who model for NUTS do, or dancers, or strippers, or barmwomen who flirt with customers to sell more beer, or those girls with shot glasses who lure stupid kids into bars by wearing very little.

I dont particularly agree with her career choice, and indeed its a shame as shes pretty smart and could alot more, but its not immoral. Mike wasn't 'led on' indeed hes barely mentioned her since she left... odd that considering how besotted with her he professed to be.

Anyone who sees Mike as some victim is a mug, hes a reality show star whos had PR/Media training, he knows the score, he knew him being a poor victim in a love triangle would get him to the final.

Funny how only he saw it as a love triangle, Prince and Danica maintain there was no such thing. Prince knew it was ridiculous to even call it that, and it was.

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