[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree with you .
I am now of the view that Labour doesn't really need to say or do that much now as to likely winning the next election.
Oppositions usually don't win elections it is Governments that lose them and this one is deep in the mire.

Gordon Brown was Mr Unelectable in May 2010, the new occupant of that position will be Nick Clegg in 2015. What the Lib Dems have supported and their betrayal of their voters will not vanish at the next election and they will at the very best get 15% to 16% of the votes in my opinion,at the very best.

At least 7% to 8% from them has gone into the Labour camp, that leaves Labour on a minimum likely of 37% but more likely higher than that when the election comes.

The Conservative's problem is that they hold some arrogance in that they haven't accepted that they did not get full endorsements of their policies at the last eelction, the Lib Dems for their part betrayed their voters trust and have in effect given the overall majority the Voters refused to give the Conservatives.

The deficit had to be tackled,they had the right idea but the policies are not working that they have put in place,a re-think is needed now not a few months before an elction.
The only thing that can be said is things are likely getting better only because they are getting worse slower.
Not a convincing argument.

With the bedroom tax due to come into effect around mid next year and later on again in 2013 the then re-structering of benefits to universal credit,(all fairly costly reforms in themselves before any gains are made),all that will seep through into 2014 and people will be really suffering, the poorest,weakest and most vulnerable that is.
By 2015, with the Lib Dems then likely appearing against them too,I believe the Conservatives have really no chance of any overall majority at the next election.

Therein lies the Conservatives likely nails in their electoral coffin, this sledgehammer taken to those that are weakest,poorest and most vulnerable along with this near obscene and heartless policy outlined on this thread as to the disabled and work, will leave the Conservatives lucky to get something like 34/5% in the election next time.

However,people need to know and remember that not a single policy like this could have been even possible without the Lib Dems supporting and voting for them in Parliament. I hope people never forget that.

There is a clear third of voters who will likely always back the main more right wing party but in 1997, a sea change did happen as to politics, it removed the status that the Conservatives were the natural party of Govt, in the easiest election to win likely ever, they failed to get the support of the Country for their policies.
These extreme policies,all designed and aimed at the most vulnerable in society shows an uncaring Govt that has little or even no compassion or understanding where both of those things should be.

The bedroom tax and this new plan for the disabled will have people up in arms against both policies. This coalition may yet go down as one fo the most disliked Govt's ever and I can see voters taking no chances again for another coalition and they will likely not for a long time vote in numbers again to give the Conservatives an overall majority.
Also of course the Lib Dems will now be blocking the boundary changes which will hit the Conservatives even more.

I just hope the day dawns where consensus politicians rule the day and they are in fact in all the 3 main parties.
The coalition should have been about big compromises and more consensus politics but it hasn't been sadly.

The disabled and sick deserve far better than this rotten and I would add, unjust policy in my opinion from any UK Government.

I 100% agree with you Joey, I will be shocked and disgusted if the public vote the Tories back in power at the next election.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I 100% agree with you Joey, I will be shocked and disgusted if the public vote the Tories back in power at the next election.

They won't, I feel really able to predict that now,the blocking of the boundary changes itself will make it near impossible for them to get an overall majority and will help the Lib Dems hold seats the Conservatives would need.

I cannot see a thing they can do to sweeten the blows that are going to come from mid to late next year to a large number of peoples lives.
They would need to abandon most of the extreme elements of the policies against the diisabled and sitting tenants in social housing.
They will not do that.

With the Lib Dems as part of the coalition, there has only been one opposition voice against the policies being enacted since 2010.

By the end of 2014, so many people will have had their lives disrupted and near ruined by these policies and the disabled and their groups likely up in arms having to fight with costly appeals, to get back benefits and rights too which will be seen as wrongly removed from them, that by May 2015 when the next election has to be,this coalition will be likely as hated as much,if not moreso, as the last Labour Govt was in its final year or so.

That is all I can see happening now really.