[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Exactly Josy, but to explain why she is abusing the system Kizzy is that she is delibrately having more children so she can claim more benefits money, it's cruel on the children and just out and out greedy.

I can see where you are coming from, but to avoid JSA now you would have to churn out kids every 4 years..
and the cut off for IS may reduce further yet.
So that is not an option any longer, and that is a good thing as long as the government make it easy for mums to work, that is the ideal senario.

[thesheriff443]

its only in recent years that familes have got smaller,
in the past it was the norm to have a large family,
the goverment is going to put the whole benefits system on line which will see the ones that are genuine face real hardship.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its only in recent years that familes have got smaller,
in the past it was the norm to have a large family,
the goverment is going to put the whole benefits system on line which will see the ones that are genuine face real hardship.

To be fair it is over the last 30 years that families have become smaller really, and capping benefits will stop any abuses hopefully.
The cycle of poverty is real however there is a difference between a helping hand and a rough shove!
I have posted lots of relevant material relating to this issue, the one thing I would have hoped they would want to avoid when dealing with lone parents was the 'cost to individuals' as quoted in the links.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its only in recent years that familes have got smaller,
in the past it was the norm to have a large family,
the goverment is going to put the whole benefits system on line which will see the ones that are genuine face real hardship.

True that big families used to be the way but wasn't that down to contraception (or rather the lack of it), - with the advent of the Pill in the late 60's / 70's, family sizes began to reduce then, rather than recent years - I'd say recent decades.

To explain: of my friends who have familes, they have 1 or 2 children, very very few of them have more - the woman in this story is on par age wise with those friends (in fact, some are older that the lady in the story) and the most children any of them have is 3. Through choice, mostly because they couldn't afford more.

I've no issue with those in genuine need: that's the purpose of the sytem being in place - but it's when you get ones like the women in the story abusing the hell out of it: that diverts money away from those who DO need the help and who are responsible enough to stop having more children than they can afford - same with the similar type story that had a link earlier: the person with 10 kids from Latvia.

[InOne]

If it's not directly affecting my life. I really don't care.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

If it's not directly affecting my life. I really don't care.

I live in the area, this type of thing does affect me as I fall under the same council who are seriously strapped for cash and funds, - I have friends who have been on housing lists for years and have little hope of ever getting a house - so their choice is either remain with parents or take up private rentals and pay through the nose for it - so it's pretty relative to me for a variety of reasons.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I live in the area, this type of thing does affect me as I fall under the same council who are seriously strapped for cash and funds, - I have friends who have been on housing lists for years and have little hope of ever getting a house - so their choice is either remain with parents or take up private rentals and pay through the nose for it - so it's pretty relative to me for a variety of reasons.

Erm, good for you?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Erm, good for you?

Just stating that some of us do care about people abusing the system and why some of us care - in response to your own comment. to be honest: I'd still have the same opinion whether she lives 10 minutes up the road - or 100miles down the road - it's all money from the public purse that could be getting used for far better and more needed things - for people who do have a sense of responsibility.

clearly this woman has none.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Just stating that some of us do care about people abusing the system and why some of us care - in response to your own comment. to be honest: I'd still have the same opinion whether she lives 10 minutes up the road - or 100miles down the road - it's all money from the public purse that could be getting used for far better and more needed things - for people who do have a sense of responsibility.

clearly this woman has none.

I quite like it when you're feisty Pyra. Keep it up.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

I quite like it when you're feisty Pyra. Keep it up.

so you told me on my very first post when I first joined !! .

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

so you told me on my very first post when I first joined !! .

[thesheriff443]

you will always get people that abuse the the system that is in place thats a fact of life!
its happening on this forum!
its not what you know but who you know!

[realitytvsux]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree there are too many stories like these appearing in tabloid newspapers for their shock value, they are in reality a very very small minority of a much larger socially deprived underclass who rely on a variety of benefits to survive.

I think we have seen recently an increase in these types of sensationalised articles which reinforce this lazy idle ignorant benefit claiming stereotype. I have to wonder if there is not a more sinister plot at work here. It's no secret the current Govt is desperate to overhaul the whole benefit system and needs public opinion onside so it has cover when the axe falls and thousands of recipients will find their benefits vastly reduced or stopped.

The current system is too complicated and is open to certain abuses but it does offer a safety net to the most disadvantaged members of our society so any reform has to measured, fair and should focus on helping the people who need help the most. Using the press to create a climate of fear and loathing for these people to justify savage cuts is not the answer...!!!

I agree with you Nedusa and Jack it is so very easy to demonise people at the lower end of the economic scale. Meanwhile the super rich, corporations and our delightful rulers whose unpaid taxes and misclaimed expenses far exceed any financial damage the benefits claimants are doing to the general population - get off free. Not to mention the wars we are all paying for to protect business interests in oil rich countries. Seriously, this woman is hardly a shining example of UK womanhood but let's not be deluded about where the real misappropriation of funds goes on.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by realitytvsux

I agree with you Nedusa and Jack it is so very easy to demonise people at the lower end of the economic scale. Meanwhile the super rich, corporations and our delightful rulers whose unpaid taxes and misclaimed expenses far exceed any financial damage the benefits claimants are doing to the general population - get off free. Not to mention the wars we are all paying for to protect business interests in oil rich countries. Seriously, this woman is hardly a shining example of UK womanhood but let's not be deluded about where the real misappropriation of funds goes on.

great post!

[realitytvsux]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

great post!

Thanks

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by realitytvsux

I agree with you Nedusa and Jack it is so very easy to demonise people at the lower end of the economic scale. Meanwhile the super rich, corporations and our delightful rulers whose unpaid taxes and misclaimed expenses far exceed any financial damage the benefits claimants are doing to the general population - get off free. Not to mention the wars we are all paying for to protect business interests in oil rich countries. Seriously, this woman is hardly a shining example of UK womanhood but let's not be deluded about where the real misappropriation of funds goes on.

Absolutely -and I agree with every word said in that respect.However, the thread is about this SPECIFIC story: it's not a comparison thread as to who drains the government resources the most, which though understandable that some will do so: it is ultimately been raised to spotlight this particular story.

I don't think anyone is deluded enough to think that it's anything other than a thread raised to highlight that there are people like this woman in particulary who do abuse the system. Yes, she is an extreme example: but extreme or not: it doesn't excuse what she is doing - nor invalidate the right to discuss same.

[Jake.]

Tbf when you are as sexy as she is I can see why she has 12 kids

[Kizzy]

It's the demonisation of certain socio-economic groups, you will never stop it the same as you will never stop the cycle of poverty. The measures to be imposed next april are going to cause havoc, we will again see families destitute and homeless on the streets in the UK.
I just hope that something happens to stop it.
Turning your back on the weak is a recipe for further social decline, in essence we have stopped moving forward as a society and are now firmly in reverse.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JH95

Tbf when you are as sexy as she is I can see why she has 12 kids

I near choked on my lunch when I read this post, great comment.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by realitytvsux

I agree with you Nedusa and Jack it is so very easy to demonise people at the lower end of the economic scale. Meanwhile the super rich, corporations and our delightful rulers whose unpaid taxes and misclaimed expenses far exceed any financial damage the benefits claimants are doing to the general population - get off free. Not to mention the wars we are all paying for to protect business interests in oil rich countries. Seriously, this woman is hardly a shining example of UK womanhood but let's not be deluded about where the real misappropriation of funds goes on.

The Public are easily conned into thinking the benefit claiming masses are responsible for the budget deficit due to an ever increasing social welfare budget. But in truth this govt and successive govt's have created the conditions of economic hardship for millions by destroying the manufacturing base of this country together with the Heavy Engineering Industries. Add to this the enormous cost of funding illegal wars and the disgusting actions of the major banks in forcing govt bailouts, then one starts to see where the real money has gone from the govt purse.

Don't forget vast numbers of this so called "benefit class" used to work in these industries and after they collapsed there was little else to replace them. This has resulted in vast areas of the country where there is effectively no hope of finding suitable employment, and what new companies do open up are too busy enticing foreign EU workers from Eastern Europe to take jobs at rates which UK workers with mortgages & families cannot survive on.

So successive govts must take a lot of the blame for the messed up state of Britain today, the Woman in the OP is a sad product of Broken Britain but to sensationalize and demonize her with these ridiculous news stories only distracts the public from seeing the REAL problems in Britain today...!!!!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

The Public are easily conned into thinking the benefit claiming masses are responsible for the budget deficit due to an ever increasing social welfare budget. But in truth this govt and successive govt's have created the conditions of economic hardship for millions by destroying the manufacturing base of this country together with the Heavy Engineering Industries. Add to this the enormous cost of funding illegal wars and the disgusting actions of the major banks in forcing govt bailouts, then one starts to see where the real money has gone from the govt purse.

Don't forget vast numbers of this so called "benefit class" used to work in these industries and after they collapsed there was little else to replace them. This has resulted in vast areas of the country where there is effectively no hope of finding suitable employment, and what new companies do open up are too busy enticing foreign EU workers from Eastern Europe to take jobs at rates which UK workers with mortgages & families cannot survive on.

So successive govts must take a lot of the blame for the messed up state of Britain today, the Woman in the OP is a sad product of Broken Britain but to sensational and demonize her with these ridiculous news stories only distracts the public from seeing the REAL problems in Britain today...!!!!

Spot on, a very inciteful post!
coal, steel, textiles vast swathes of the country devastated by the loss of industry.
Privatisation, deregulation, outscourcing and war have ruined this country, it is time to stop pointing fingers of blame at those who are casualties of years of governmental failing.
Your bit in bold x 1000!

This is a quote relating to a different issue but it has relevance here..
''Without an acknowledgement that class-based discrimination is unacceptable, the MPs who are cutting wages, jobs and services will be allowed to peddle the myths that blame impoverished people for their own difficult circumstances.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ndrew-mitchell

[Harry!]

This woman is terrible, some people should not have children.

[the truth]

its way more than £30,000 thats just her tax free income
she gets free everything, free 7 bedroom house (that would be worth over £500,000) free heating, free council tax, free prescriptions, free glasses for all kids, free food stamps, she probably even gets free cleaners from the social services.
you can guarantee she will costs the tax payers over a million pounds a decade

90% of hard working people could never afford a 7 bedroom half a million pound house.

id take her kids off her unless she finds work

I blame the radical twisted agenda of womens lib. in recent years its just been a brainless doctrine, of man hate and false propoganda that all british women are somehow enslaved. utter bilge.

men are oppressedin the Uk massively. obviously thats not the cause in the third world, but it is in the western world. now we end up with lazy bloaters with endless kids, setting a dreadful example of greed and no work, they smoke and drink all day, swear and fight in front of their kids. waste money on tatoos and fags and meow meow and of course get grotesque tatoos.

go down any pub 99% of the people are workless chavs milking the benefits system. the hard working people havent the time, money or energy or inclination to go down the pub anymore. its sad. its they who deserve a few beers, not this chavvy scum

meanwhile the sick , needy and elderly are treated like scum
Im sick of it and say what yoyu like about the nasty tories but theyre at least attempting to weed some of these yobs out