[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Shaun

OK cheers Gandhi

come on shaun dont be like that.

[Glenn.]

It's the families of those that get left behind that is the real tragedy.

Left wondering whether there was anything they could of done. The act of suicide is selfish regardless of the circumstances that led to the suicide in the first place.

[Redway]

Glenn.

[CharlieO]

it angers me when people say its the easy way out or that it is selfish. I do not believe it is in any manor.

I believe it is courageous in fact, and beautiful in a sense. Because it is so against the norm and the person doesn't care. They're at a point of no return and nothingness is where they wish to float and i respect that.

[CharlieO]

it angers me when people say its the easy way out or that it is selfish. I do not believe it is in any manor.

I believe it is courageous in fact, and beautiful in a sense. Because it is so against the norm and the person doesn't care. They're at a point of no return and nothingness is where they wish to float and i respect that.

[Glenn.]

What?

I know someone who killed himself because he got himself into a mountain of debt. He had a wife and two kids.

He left them to deal with his **** and bury him. Is that not selfish?

[AnnieK]

I can see both sides... If the person commits suicide due to debts etc, those debts will still be there after their death and so their loved ones have to deal with not only the original problem but also the death , and manner of death. Although I am sure that if someone is really that desperate, they will not be thinking of consequences of their actions.

[CharlieO]

I cannot cope with your opinions glenn

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Glenn

What?

I know someone who killed himself because he got himself into a mountain of debt. He had a wife and two kids.

He left them to deal with his **** and bury him. Is that not selfish?

Yes, but that's just one circumstance. What about the times where people have no family? How's that selfish?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

it angers me when people say its the easy way out or that it is selfish. I do not believe it is in any manor.

I believe it is courageous in fact, and beautiful in a sense. Because it is so against the norm and the person doesn't care. They're at a point of no return and nothingness is where they wish to float and i respect that.

Now that is a moronic response to suicide? It's s lot if things, beautiful isn't one of them.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Glenn

What?

I know someone who killed himself because he got himself into a mountain of debt. He had a wife and two kids.

He left them to deal with his **** and bury him. Is that not selfish?

Suicide is not inherently selfish or altruistic. Suicide is just an act.

And for me to judge if that case was selfish, I'd have to know more about the situation.

[Redway]

claudia

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Now that is a moronic response to suicide? It's s lot if things, beautiful isn't one of them.

and in my opinion selfish isn't one of them. As they say, each to their own.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yes, but that's just one circumstance. What about the times where people have no family? How's that selfish?

I agree with this...each situation is different...

I know someone who lost his wife very young to cancer, they had no children and were each others life. Two weeks after her funeral, he took his own life as he could see no reason to live.

[Jake.]

I've read this thread so many times before, if it's going to be anything like the last one then just lock it now

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Suicide is not inherently selfish or altruistic. Suicide is just an act.

And for me to judge if that case was selfish, I'd have to know more about the situation.

That's completely fair.

I'm basing my opinion on suicide to the only example of it I know. And in this case it was very selfish. He wasn't depressed, he was very bad with money and now his family have to pay the price.

[Redway]

Instead of just locking 'heated' threads I'd rather it was allowed to pan out a little further so Glenn can see just how stupid his views are.

[Ryan.]

What about those that are driven to suicide by, dare I say the b word, bullies?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

and in my opinion selfish isn't one of them. As they say, each to their own.

That's fine. Just don't criticise my opinion when you make idiotic suggestions like 'suicide is beautiful'

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Glenn

That's completely fair.

I'm basing my opinion on suicide to the only example of it I know. And in this case it was very selfish. He wasn't depressed, he was very bad with money and now his family have to pay the price.

So instead he should have suffered with a monster eating away at his mental state? What was the other option?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Glenn

That's completely fair.

I'm basing my opinion on suicide to the only example of it I know. And in this case it was very selfish. He wasn't depressed, he was very bad with money and now his family have to pay the price.

Yes, but you're basing an entire act based on just one person. You yourself have acknowledged that Claudia's example was completely fair and justified so why stick to your own personal experience? Surely they cancel each other out?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Redway

Instead of just locking 'heated' threads I'd rather it was allowed to pan out a little further so Glenn can see just how stupid his views are.

stop saying members views are stupid its post like this that get threads closed!

[LemonJam]

It completely depends on the situation the person's in IMO. I don't think it's a black and white discussion whatsoever.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Redway

Instead of just locking 'heated' threads I'd rather it was allowed to pan out a little further so Glenn can see just how stupid his views are.

Stupid views? Only I thought it was just established that people have different views on things and they should be respected.
Or are your views superior to mine?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Suicide is not inherently selfish or altruistic. Suicide is just an act.

And for me to judge if that case was selfish, I'd have to know more about the situation.

Beautifully put... Completely agree