[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's called remaining calm & impartial - and being willing to accept all may not be as it initially seems: when others around are in a feeding frenzy over something that has not even had full investigation other than being a trial by media.

If you say so .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

If you say so .....

I do.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20014945

A Devon paedophile who is believed to have abused up to 3,500 boys has died in prison, the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) has confirmed.

William Goad, 65, from Plymouth died of "natural causes" overnight at HMP Albany.

The MoJ said: "As with all deaths in custody, the independent Prisons and Probation Ombudsman will conduct an investigation."

Goad was jailed for life in 2004 for sexual offences over a 35 year period.

'Predatory' paedophile

Goad, who ran shops and market stalls, was jailed for 14 serious sex offences and two counts of indecent assault following a court case in 2004 in which he was described as a "voracious, calculating, predatory and violent homosexual paedophile".

Plymouth Crown Court was told he groomed his victims by offering them well-paid jobs in his shops and inviting them back to his home.

The court was told he once boasted of beating his own "record" of sexually abusing 142 boys in one year - a claim denied by the defendant.

Goad abused some of his victims three to four times a week for two to three years.

He was jailed for life, with a six-year minimum term, in 2004.

Not famous, not rich and not well-connected but, like Savile, he got away with child abuse for decades .....

So what kept 3,500 children quiet for years, if there was no money and no celebrity by association .....

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-iceberg.html

The shocking revelations of Savile’s depraved behaviour have, to the relief of the Jersey abuse victims, refocused attention on Haut de la Garenne. In their view, it confirms their claims that the home was at the heart of a well-protected paedophile ring.

Allegations against Savile and other famous and powerful people were made during the 2008 inquiry. Earlier this week, the Telegraph revealed that another alleged abuser was the actor Wilfrid Brambell, the “dirty old man” of Steptoe and Son fame. One of two boys whom he abused in a back room at the Jersey Opera House in the Seventies was from Haut de la Garenne.

The States of Jersey Police have confirmed that an Haut de la Garenne resident had alleged abuse by Savile in the mid-Seventies during the 2008 inquiry, but said there had been insufficient evidence for an investigation to proceed. The authority has also confirmed that three more victims of Savile on Jersey have contacted them in recent days.

Carrie Modral, chair of the Jersey Care Leavers’ Association, a charity run by people who have spent time in care, says: “It’s good that the Savile scandal is making people think more about what happened here. But why have the States of Jersey only admitted it about Savile now? Because he’s dead and he can’t talk or bring down all the other big names. Their view would be that we, the survivors, keep going on about celebrities abusing kids at Haut de la Garenne, so OK, 'Here’s one, he’s dead and he can’t talk.’ But Savile was just the tip of the iceberg.”

Lenny Harper agrees: “Savile chose his victims with great care; vulnerable and often troubled youngsters many in care homes. If they complained they were labelled troublemakers, or brutally put down. We know from court cases and statements made to my team [during the 2008 inquiry] that children in Jersey care homes were 'loaned out’ to members of the yachting fraternity and other prominent citizens on the pretence of recreational trips but during which they were savagely abused and often raped.

“When these children complained they were beaten and locked in cellars [at Haut de la Garenne], which the Jersey authorities denied existed in 2008, but which can still be seen on YouTube footage. What chance did they have? This would have been the perfect hunting ground for Savile. The great and good of Jersey fawn over anyone with even loose connections to British royalty. Saville would have been a VIP to them and children would not have stood a dog’s chance of complaining about him. It would have been so easy for him.”

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...d-the-BBC.html

The scandal of how Sir Jimmy Savile was able to abuse young girls for decades deepened last night after a Sunday Telegraph investigation implicated both former government ministers and executives at the BBC.

A Sunday Telegraph investigation today reveals:

* Edwina Currie appointed Savile to run a taskforce in charge of Broadmoor in the 1980s, where he is accused of sexually assaulting patients;

* the taskforce he presided over was given temporary powers to oversee the running of the hospital following a series of industrial disputes - despite the fact Savile, a disc jockey and television presenter, had no professional qualifications;

* a friend of Savile’s from his hometown in Leeds was then given the most senior job at Broadmoor;

* the BBC investigated a lurid sex scandal at Top of the Pops and Radio 1 in the early 1970s, but never made the report public;

* Savile was interviewed by the BBC as part of that inquiry but refused to cooperate, according to a senior source.

Savile, despite having no expertise in mental health, was given the job of chairman of the taskforce overseeing Broadmoor in 1988 after the hospital had been placed under direct control of the Thatcher government following a series of strikes.

Mrs Currie at the time was health minister with responsibility for the country’s high security hospitals under the auspices of Kenneth Clarke, the then-Health Secretary. Savile counted himself as a friend of Margaret Thatcher and reportedly stayed at Chequers on a number of occasions.

Savile had had a long association with Broadmoor, having been a volunteer worker there in the 1970s and 1980s with the unofficial title “honourary entertainments officer”. He had his own set of keys and living quarters on site.

Savile’s appointment to the taskforce is now subject to a Department of Health official inquiry but last night Mrs Currie said: “The Department of Health are digging out the papers from the archives and I just don’t know - I’m ransacking my own notes to try to work out what happened, so I am not denying it, it is just very hard to tell.”

The former minister told The Sunday Telegraph that having checked her personal diaries, she had found a note of a meeting with Savile in Leeds in September 1988 - the month the taskforce was appointed. In the entry she described his thoughts on Broadmoor as “intriguing”.

Mrs Currie recorded that during the meeting Savile had told her that he suspected staff were inflating their salaries - and that he had threatened to pass the information to the tabloid papers if the staff caused him any trouble.

Savile also told her he had uncovered millions of pounds missing from budgets and poor use of the hospital’s housing stock.

“In my diary, I wrote 'Attaboy’, she said. “This was what he claimed to be doing; now it is hard to know whether any of it is true. And obviously when you look back, it does suggest he was prepared to use blackmail to ensure people did what he wanted.”

Mrs Currie, who had previously met Savile on his television programme Jim’ll Fix it and on visits to Leeds General Infirmary, where he also worked, said she now thought the presenter was “totally evil” and that she was glad criminal investigations were underway.

Following Savile’s appointment at Broadmoor, Alan Franey, an administrator who spent 10 years working at Leeds General Infirmary, also began work on the same taskforce, with progress to be reported to Mrs Currie.

In a book about psychiatric care, Mr Franey described having “an unusual meeting” with health officials in the Athenaeum Club in London, where his new role on the temporary taskforce was proposed.

He neglected to mention in the book that Savile, who was a member of the Athenaeum, was also present. When asked by The Sunday Telegraph if Savile was also there, Mr Franey agreed.

In 1989, Mr Franey was put in overall charge of Broadmoor, where he remained for nine years before retiring as chief executive.

Mr Franey worked as an assistant general manager at Leeds General Infirmary from 1975 to 1985, when the television presenter was volunteering as a night porter. Savile is also accused of sexually abusing girls at the Leeds hospital.

Mr Franey said he got to know Savile because they were among half a dozen men who ran charity marathons together. He said: “I am absolutely astonished. There was absolutely no indication that he was doing what was alleged.”

Mr Franey insisted his friendship with Savile did not help him to get the job on the taskforce, and that he later got the job as general manager of Broadmoor through open competition.

Mr Franey took early retirement from Broadmoor following an inquiry into the hospital in March 1997. The inquiry followed claims made in newspapers that a child pornography ring was operating at Broadmoor.

The Broadmoor Triangle .....

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...oasted-1389710

Savile terrified enemies by snarling that he was mates with **IRA killers who would *cripple anyone who crossed him.

The cunning paedophile used threats of *violence to silence victims and anyone else who *threatened to expose him, *investigators on his case believe.

Today the Sunday People can reveal how Savile once bragged to our journalist how he could fix anyone with just one phone call – to terrorists.

He said: “All I have to do is call my friends in the IRA. They’ll have someone waking up in hospital the next morning eating their breakfast through a *******ing straw.

“I know the IRA, men from the IRA, and you don’t need to ask these guys twice. I’m serious. Don’t *******ing think I’m not serious. I can get them done – just with a phone call. That’s all it takes, young man.”

Incredibly, he was probably telling the truth .....

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz29tjltgUD

VICTIMS of twisted Jimmy Savile are believed to have told police that more than 100 other paedophiles were involved in his attacks.

Cops investigating the disgraced BBC DJ and TV presenter are understood to have been given names or descriptions of the men.

Last night a source told The Sun: “The scale of what has gone on is unbelievable. It must be more than likely that among those names will be some very well known people indeed.”

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm tired.

[Omah]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...with-the-cops/

JIMMY Savile had a close relationship with police – and even received gifts from the force now investigating him for child abuse.

As questions continue over how his vile crimes were kept quiet for six decades, we can reveal his links with police forces across Britain.

At the height of Savile’s campaign of abuse, one even gave him a truncheon and handcuffs as a present.

Evidence uncovered by the Daily Star Sunday shows others, including the Fraud Squad, considered him a pal.

An expensive onyx table lighter was inscribed: “To Jimmy Savile from his friends at the Fraud Squad.”

And in 1979 – as Savile used his celebrity to groom and sexually assault children – the Metropolitan Police gave him a special award.

The force, which is investigating 400 lines of inquiry and the claims of 200 alleged victims, presented him with a 150th anniversary medal.

Officers also gave the now-disgraced DJ, described last week as “one of the most prolific sex offenders”, a wall plaque and his very own inscribed Met police helmet.

In 1974 – the year Savile is said to have molested Karin Ward, 14, and other schoolgirls – Leicestershire police gave him a truncheon, badge and handcuffs on a mahogany base.

The force also presented the pervert, who died last year aged 84, with at least two wall plaques.

Other forces now receiving allegations about the star also gave him awards.

West Yorkshire police, which allegedly investigated Savile in 1958 for “interfering with young girls”, presented him with at least one plaque.

Tayside police, which has been contacted recently by an alleged victim, also gave Savile an award in 1996.

Our inquiries show Savile got at least 14 gifts and awards from police.

West Yorkshire, Tayside, Leicestershire and the Metropolitan Police forces all declined to comment on their association with Savile.

Cops were deluded or colluded?

You decide ..... I already have .....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20019993

Former health minister Edwina Currie has said she has "nothing to hide" over her involvement in giving Sir Jimmy Savile a role at Broadmoor in 1988.

Mrs Currie, who was a health minister in 1988, said notes on the links between Savile and Broadmoor were in the archives.

She told the BBC: "The Department of Health is currently digging them out... It goes back at least 25 years, even 30 years and isn't just to do with me at all.

"But as and when documents do surface, they should be published in full. I have nothing to hide."

IIRC, she was well-educated but not very bright .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwina_Currie

Frequently outspoken, she was described as "a virtually permanent fixture on the nation's TV screen saying something outrageous about just about anything"

In September 1986, she became a Junior Health Minister. Among her comments over the next two years were - despite not being religious - that "good Christian people" don't get AIDS, that old people who couldn't afford their heating bills should wrap up warm in winter, and that northerners die of "ignorance and chips".

Currie was forced to resign in December 1988 after she issued a warning about salmonella in British eggs. The statement that "most of the egg production in this country, sadly, is now affected with salmonella" sparked outrage among farmers and egg producers, and caused egg sales in the country to rapidly decline. Although the statement was widely interpreted as referring to "most eggs produced", in fact it related to the egg production flock; there was indeed evidence that a mid-1980s regulation change had allowed salmonella to get a hold in flocks. There was particular anger in Northern Ireland where egg production is a significant part of the economy. At the Christmas party of the Industrial Development Board for Northern Ireland that year the featured dish was curried eggs.

During the 1992 General Election campaign, Currie poured a glass of orange juice over Labour's Peter Snape shortly after an edition of the Midlands based television debate show Central Weekend had finished airing. Speaking about the incident later, Currie said "I just looked at my orange juice, and looked at this man from which this stream of abuse was emanating, and thought 'I know how to shut you up.' " Snape subsequently won Ł15,000 after Currie "falsely suggested in her memoirs that it happened after Snape had been 'drinking vodka in a club with cronies'."

Currie's Diaries (1987–92), published in 2002, caused a sensation, as they revealed a four-year affair with John Major between 1984 and 1988 while both were married to other people. The affair started while she was a backbencher and Major was the government whip in Margaret Thatcher's government. After Major's promotion to Chief Secretary to the Treasury, the relationship ended, but the two remained friends. Currie apparently ceased the affair when it became dangerous and impractical owing to the presence of bodyguards who had to be avoided.

After publication, John Major made a statement saying that he was ashamed of the affair and had privately revealed the matter to his wife. Currie admitted to having been in love with him for years after the end of the affair, and that he had been "the love of her life". However, only weeks after revealing the affair, she publicly criticised Major, accusing him of sexism and racism and of being "one of the less competent prime ministers".

So there probably is something to hide .....

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...nquiry-1390992

POLICE investigating the Jimmy Savile scandal are expected to arrest friends and associates of the star after new revelations were handed to them.

Investigators who made the bombshell documentary exposing the late paedophile are believed to have received tip-offs and fresh evidence about his inner circle.

The Sunday Mirror understands the revelations relate to people close to DJ Savile in the North West when he was first finding fame in the Sixties.

The new leads are not connected to other celebrities also being investigated by Scotland Yard about child abuse. Police say at least 200 victims have come forward to make claims against the Jim'll Fix It star.

But investigators at ITV's Exposure, who broke the initial story and have handed more evidence to police, say that number could get close to 1,000. A new ITV probe, expected to be screened next month, will throw up "dynamite" new revelations on Savile and his pals

[Kazanne]

Edwina Curry wasn't to know about his pachant for young kids,she probably thought as a lot still do that he was a caring chap!

[Ammi]

...as the law states 'innocent until proven guilty', surely he will always remain innocent in the eyes of the law now....

...unless he has a posthumous trial...the last person to have this was Martin Bormann, although at the time of the trial, it hadn't yet been established he was dead....

Bormann was a prominent Nazi official who hid with Hitler in the final days of the war. According to Wikipedia, during the chaotic closing days of the war, there were contradictory reports as to Bormann’s whereabouts. For example, Jakob Glas, Bormann’s long-time chauffeur, insisted he saw Bormann in Munich weeks after 1 May 1945. The bodies were not found, and a global search followed including extensive efforts in South America. With no evidence to confirm or deny Bormann’s death, the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg tried Bormann in absentia in October 1946 and sentenced him to death. His court-appointed defense attorney used the unsuccessful defense that the court could not convict Bormann because he was already dead. [Source] It was later proven (by DNA) that Bormann was, indeed, dead at the time of the trial

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Edwina Curry wasn't to know about his pachant for young kids,she probably thought as a lot still do that he was a caring chap!

Even if she didn't he was a DJ... What would he know about running a prison?
He was nothing but a tory stooge then...

[arista]

and Kizzy
then a New Labour stooge.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

and Kizzy
then a New Labour stooge.

What does that mean?...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Even if she didn't he was a DJ... What would he know about running a prison?
He was nothing but a tory stooge then...

oh dear,when in doubt ,blame the Tories

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Even if she didn't he was a DJ... What would he know about running a prison?
He was nothing but a tory stooge then...

Took longer than I anticipated for this thread to turn into a 'blame the Tories' thread. seriously Kizzy: there may be a form of 'politics' invovled in this whole sorry saga, but it's not quite of the variety that you are attempting to spin it on.

I love the DM today: in which the Main investigative reporter turns out to be the nephew of the very woman in charge of one of the schools in which this alleged prolific abuse took place.......... but conveniently : an interview he held ( a 2nd interview) in which the alleged victim named his Aunt - ended up on the cutting room floor.

You got to laugh: this very reporter's own FAMILY appears to have been party - albeit in limited form.

Personally: whilst it is no joking matter whatsover : I do think this entire thing is now turning into a comedy of errors - on every single possible level.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

oh dear,when in doubt ,blame the Tories

?... I am not the biggest supporter of the conservatives, but in all fairness kazanne he was working for them.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

?... I am not the biggest supporter of the conservatives, but in all fairness kazanne he was working for them.

There's nothing at all fair about trying to associate any of this onto someone who clearly was very unaware of what allegations may have been getting thrown around years ago re JS: nor to try to correlate that into some form of attack against a political party that you are reknown for loathing.

This isn't a political thread Kizzy - let's keep the Politics out of it eh?

[arista]

BBC1 Panorama Monday
is about the The BBC Newsnight Saga
and Saville.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Took longer than I anticipated for this thread to turn into a 'blame the Tories' thread. seriously Kizzy: there may be a form of 'politics' invovled in this whole sorry saga, but it's not quite of the variety that you are attempting to spin it on.

I love the DM today: in which the Main investigative reporter turns out to be the nephew of the very woman in charge of one of the schools in which this alleged prolific abuse took place.......... but conveniently : an interview he held ( a 2nd interview) in which the alleged victim named his Aunt - ended up on the cutting room floor.

You got to laugh: this very reporter's own FAMILY appears to have been party - albeit in limited form.

Personally: whilst it is no joking matter whatsover : I do think this entire thing is now turning into a comedy of errors - on every single possible level.

I make a reference and you pounce pyra, let's not make this a huge political debate.
The point of gathering all this evidence is obviously not to bring any criminal proceedings as thats impossible. It's to highlight the failings of the past by many organisations in their duty of care to vulnerable young people.
How, where, when and why this man was allowed to infiltrate childrens homes, hospitals, prisons...
It's not a witch hunt it's trying to learn from mistakes in the past.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

BBC1 Panorama Monday
is about the The BBC Newsnight Saga
and Saville.

Originally Posted by kizzy

I make a reference and you pounce pyra, let's not make this a huge political debate.

The point of gathering all this evidence is obviously not to bring any criminal proceedings as thats impossible. It's to highlight the failings of the past by many organisations in their duty of care to vulnerable young people.
How, where, when and why this man was allowed to infiltrate childrens homes, hospitals, prisons...
It's not a witch hunt it's trying to learn from mistakes in the past.

I am pointing out the very obvious fact Kiz that you always attempt to bring the government & your loathing of the tories into every single 'serious debates' thread.

Whatever JS was guilty of (or not) - and I do believe there is some guilt there on his part and others, though I question the extent - it is not the place for a Party Political debate nor for trying to bring into play JS being a Tory - or not, and whether he was a Tory Stooge the minute Edwina Currie's name cropped up - if anyone is guilty of 'pouncing' on politics - it is not I. Apparently him having some possible connection with the tories: makes the tories guilty by association? That's what you are getting at.

Politics really have no place on this thread.

Originally Posted by kizzy
?... I am not the biggest supporter of the conservatives, but in all fairness kazanne he was working for them .

Yes Arista: the Panorma programme to be shown is the one that I was referring to re my comment of Jones, who was investigating: who's aunt was employed by the school in question.

Bet he wishes he hadn't opened this can of worms in his attempt to get a story: it's backfired on him in quite spectacular fashion.

Related to a woman who allegedly was in charge in the same school that JS allegedly abused pupils at for many years......................

Like I said earlier: it's a comedy of (very serious) errors now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There's nothing at all fair about trying to associate any of this onto someone who clearly was very unaware of what allegations may have been getting thrown around years ago re JS: nor to try to correlate that into some form of attack against a political party that you are reknown for loathing.

This isn't a political thread Kizzy - let's keep the Politics out of it eh?

I suggest you look at todays telegraph, all I did was refer to the points raised in there. Theres no vendetta.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I suggest you look at todays telegraph, all I did was refer to the points raised in there. Theres no vendetta.

I suggest you stop suggesting what to read. The facts are thin on the ground - much of it is gossip, heresay, people now admitting they were happy to keep their mouths shut because they benefitted financially and for many many years, they benefitted financially..... take all that fodder out of the mix and perhaps there may be some degree of the truth coming out.

Other than that: all it is doing is damaging any possible REAL claims from REAL victims.