[arista]

From Jeff Randall Live On SkyNewsHD

The French want to Roll out red carpet for us to leave,
But who cares , thats the stink French.

The German Leader said she will have More talks with the UK
but also other nations want talks.
But she was positive about the UK

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Labour don't represent my views. The Iraq war caused a million people to march on the capital and nothing happened. No one got a vote on that, and the conservatives weren't screaming that the people should choose then, either.

Politicians only want to do these things when they think they'll win. It's an illusion of democracy.

Thats Good.

I Understand your Illusion Point.


But Due To UKIP - Who we no longer Need,
The PM had no choice.

The BBC ran a Conservative Election Broadcast at a few mins to 7PM
What the hell for?

[Omah]

Ah, "the old in-out", that's certainly what Cameron is doing to the working class of this country, now he wants to do it to Europe, too .....

[the truth]

most people do not get their views ffrom tabloids any more, newspaper sales are lower than ever, people can get opinions from thousands of different places nowadays

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

Ah, "the old in-out", that's certainly what Cameron is doing to the working class of this country, now he wants to do it to Europe, too .....

Yes The Working Class on Ch5News,
SkyNewsHD, BBC News , ITVNews are Angry at Europe

[arista]

Originally Posted by the truth

most people do not get their views ffrom tabloids any more, newspaper sales are lower than ever, people can get opinions from thousands of different places nowadays

Yes its Good to have 16 News Channels
plus the Bloated BBC.


SkyNewsHD and RTHD
and CNN are Great.
Also Ch4News.

Originally Posted by arista

Thats Good.

I Understand your Illusion Point.


But Due To UKIP - Who we no longer Need,
The PM had no choice.

The BBC ran a Conservative Election Broadcast at a few mins to 7PM
What the hell for?

My politics are way to the left of Labour.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

My politics are way to the left of Labour.

Nothing Wrong with That


Labour are Neo Conservatives, anyway.

You will Never Get in Power, Though.
(unless its after a World War )

Originally Posted by arista

Nothing Wrong with That


Labour are Neo Conservatives, anyway.

You will Never Get in Power, Though.
(unless its after a World War )

Your obsession with world war is slightly concerning, but if ever there is an apocalypse, I will find you Arista. I reckon you'd stay safe.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Your obsession with world war is slightly concerning, but if ever there is an apocalypse, I will find you Arista. I reckon you'd stay safe.

Yes I will be in my Bunker.




From Ch4News Site.

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

Ah, "the old in-out", that's certainly what Cameron is doing to the working class of this country, now he wants to do it to Europe, too .....

Thats a Sexual way of saying it.

[arista]

Today PM David Cameron
is in europe to get a reduction in what we pay
and many others are backing this.


http://news.sky.com/story/1049289/eu...se-to-new-deal

[lostalex]

The UK would be stupid to leave the EU. It won't happen.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The UK would be stupid to leave the EU. It won't happen.

If he gets back in Power
The British will Vote In Or Out


This Nation is Split on it.
Buit the Vote was promised by New Labour and Conservatives
and Lib Dems before now.

It will get millions voting
who have never ever before

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

If he gets back in Power
The British will Vote In Or Out


This Nation is Split on it.
Buit the Vote was promised by New Labour and Conservatives
and Lib Dems before now.

It will get millions voting
who have never ever before

yea, remember when the Scottish vote was 50/50 then all of sudden when they were told they could actually vote, suddenly all those Scottish people don't wanna leave the UK anymore.

Same for the EU vote.

Trust me, Scotland ain't gonna leave the UK, and the UK ain't gonna leave the EU.

All of this talk is just wasted breath.

you can QUOTE me on THAT!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Just a thought regarding this debate, since the decision to go into the "Common Market" was taken back in 1973 people voting then would have to be at least 18 yrs so anyone born after 1956 onwards would not have been eligible to vote.

So everyone aged 57 and below has never had a say in whether we should go in or stay in Europe. Well thats a very large proportion of the electorate so large in fact that I would argue we MUST have a new vote and give everyone the right to exercise their democratic choice...!!!

That is a very good point.

I still don't consider I know enough to make an informed choice as to which way I'd vote. There are fors and againsts on both sides. If it does come to a referendum, I hope to see some clear, unbiased information available.

[lostalex]

ok you need to understand something. the UK is a huge market in the EU,. Do you honestly think you have a say? The EU could not allow the UK to leave, under any circumstances. I will tell you right now, the UK will NOT leave the EU.

The Eu does what it wants. and it keeps doing it until it gets everything it wants. remember the Lisbon treaty? what did they do, they made Ireland have referendums over and over until they approved it. So even if the UK did vote to leave the Eu, then you've have referendums until you joined again. That's how the Eu works. You can vote to leave, and then you'll have to vote every single year after that until the EU gets the result they want.

The EU isn't going anywhere, accept it. You're stuck.

[InOne]

I keep hearing Britain being in the EU benefits America. So not really surprised on your stance lostalex...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ok you need to understand something. the UK is a huge market in the EU,. Do you honestly think you have a say? The EU could not allow the UK to leave, under any circumstances. I will tell you right now, the UK will NOT leave the EU.

The Eu does what it wants. and it keeps doing it until it gets everything it wants. remember the Lisbon treaty? what did they do, they made Ireland have referendums over and over until they approved it. So even if the UK did vote to leave the Eu, then you've have referendums until you joined again. That's how the Eu works. You can vote to leave, and then you'll have to vote every single year after that until the EU gets the result they want.

The EU isn't going anywhere, accept it. You're stuck.

I think you've got it a little ass-upwards there, Alex. Ireland held the referendums, not he EU. The EU wouldn't hold the UK referendum, the UK would. We voted to join, we can vote to leave. It's not like the Mafia.

Well, it's not a lot like the Mafia.

Okay, it's a bit like the Mafia... but we can still choose to leave if the public says we should and there wouldn't be a thing the EU could do about it.

[Kizzy]

However, we would not be invited to any ace europarties...so we stay in

[joeysteele]

I don't understand why David Cameron cannot get on with whatever negotiations he wants to do right now,he would get support from Parliament for such negotiations and he could then hold the referendum on the same day as the next General Election if he was really serious as to this.

Why wait for to get an overall majority anyway for another 2+ years and then take another 2+ years to do any negotiations with the EU.

He says, the questions will be do you support the UK remaining in the EU on the new deal negotiated by the Govt, or coming out.

If he gets no deal at all, does he still hold the referendum, he says he favours staying in the EU,even now, so would he recommend remaining in if no new deal of any worth was the result.

Quite frankly, I think the promise of a referendum will end up being as shallow as his promise of no top to bottom,across the board reforms of the NHS in this Parliament.

In any event I would vote for staying in on what currently feel as to the EU and I doubt in any campaign in over 4 years time that I would learn anything of real significance from either those campaigning or from our biased media that would change my mind on that.

Reading through the history of the Common Market and the EU, the then Consrvative Govt in the early 70s took us into the Common Market with no reference back to the voters whatsoever either by referendum or election so if that was possible then, I see no reason whatsoever for David Cameron to hold back from re-negotiating now for a deal he states is extremely important.

Why should he have to get an overall majority for one policy before he will do something about it when likely his party will be presenting far more extreme and further heartless policies alongside that one policy.
It has an unsavoury smell to his whole plan, for me anyway, as to this now.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The British people elect politicians who take decisions on our behalf on a daily basis. This is no different.

Not many people are interested in politics or watching QT, but most of the country would spout a load of bollocks about Europe controlling our country to send money to Greece.

And you of course know better than the whole country? right? wrong
to write off the views of 62 million brits is arrogant at best, ignorant at worst.
everyone has their own individual situations and experiences. some will be personal, some business related, some may be bigoted...etc but everyone has right to an opinion.

I think the european union is a total fiasco. obviously you think thats me reading the daily mail, its not. the sheer volume of stupid laws that cripple business in this country is overwhelming. perhaps you shouldnt be allowed to vote as you seem to have so little respect from your fellow brit and so little grasp on how the european monolith has destroyed british businesses

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

And you of course know better than the whole country? right? wrong
to write off the views of 62 million brits is arrogant at best, ignorant at worst.
everyone has their own individual situations and experiences. some will be personal, some business related, some may be bigoted...etc but everyone has right to an opinion.

I think the european union is a total fiasco. obviously you think thats me reading the daily mail, its not. the sheer volume of stupid laws that cripple business in this country is overwhelming. perhaps you shouldnt be allowed to vote as you seem to have so little respect from your fellow brit and so little grasp on how the european monolith has destroyed british businesses

Perhaps you're the one who shouldn't be allowed to vote as you continually get fundamental things so very wrong.

Not all of those 62 million Brits you mention are eligable to vote, it's more like 40 million. And of those 40 million, only 40% can actually be arsed to go and actually vote, the rest don't bother. So I wouldn't be singing the praises of the great British electorate too loudly if I were you.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think you've got it a little ass-upwards there, Alex. Ireland held the referendums, not he EU. The EU wouldn't hold the UK referendum, the UK would. We voted to join, we can vote to leave. It's not like the Mafia.

Well, it's not a lot like the Mafia.

Okay, it's a bit like the Mafia... but we can still choose to leave if the public says we should and there wouldn't be a thing the EU could do about it.

my point is. even if you did vote to leave, then the government would find a way to make you vote over and over and over again, until you voted to join again. DO you honestly think if you vote to leave then that'd be the end of it? no, they'd come up with a new referendem and find a way to get the British people to approve rejoining the EU, just like the Ireland voted over and over and over again until they approved the Lisbon treaty, that was my point.