[lostalex]

they wanted to bring him in alive, i'm sure the guys at guantanamo were foaming at the mouth thinking about the chance to get to torture that mutha fooka....

they were thinking, ohh, we gonna have some FUN with him...

personally i hope the conspiracy theories are right, i hope we do still have him alive somewhere, and we are torturing the crap out of him.


is that wrong of me? i'm sorry

[InOne]

I think they messed up the mission when they landed and authorities found out, so that's why they had to go in for the quick kill and get out of there

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by lostalex

they wanted to bring him in alive, i'm sure the guys at guantanamo were foaming at the mouth thinking about the chance to get to torture that mutha fooka....

they were thinking, ohh, we gonna have some FUN with him...

personally i hope the conspiracy theories are right, i hope we do still have him alive somewhere, and we are torturing the crap out of him.


is that wrong of me? i'm sorry

Yes. Wrong and highly disturbing...

Guantanamo should've been shut down a long time ago.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes. Wrong and highly disturbing...

Guantanamo should've been shut down a long time ago.

wel it's in Cuba. a country that supposedly hates us...

so if even Cuba is okay with it, who are we to judge?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by InOne

I think they messed up the mission when they landed and authorities found out, so that's why they had to go in for the quick kill and get out of there

but they got out of there with his body...

[InOne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but they got out of there with his body...

Or so they say

I'm only going by the long doc I watched on it around a year ago where Obama himself was talking about it.

Originally Posted by lostalex

really? can you? when's the last time a christian strapped a suicide vest on in a muslim market place? when's the last time a christian hijacked a plane in the name of jesus? get real.

i understand you want to be empathetic Jesus, but really... get real.

I have no idea why any of that is relevant. It stopped being about 9/11 when our governments lied us into illegal war against Iraq. Afghanistan to get OBL was justified. Iraq wasn't.

I was responding to the point you made about Muslims thinking it was a war against the west. I think my point stacks up pretty well when you read it in that context. The Iraq war, plus dubbya talking of crusades would make me think they were taking a medieval approach to the Muslim world.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I have no idea why any of that is relevant. It stopped being about 9/11 when our governments lied us into illegal war against Iraq. Afghanistan to get OBL was justified. Iraq wasn't.

I was responding to the point you made about Muslims thinking it was a war against the west. I think my point stacks up pretty well when you read it in that context. The Iraq war, plus dubbya talking of crusades would make me think they were taking a medieval approach to the Muslim world.

Well i don't think they lied. I think they were wrong, but they didn't lie. They were honestly responding to what they thought was a real threat though.

You forget what it was like in 2003. When everyone was screaming at the government "why didn't you prevent 9/11!, why didn't you catch it!" so of course they were being overly cautious.

It's easy to sit back in 2013 10 years later and forget the atmosphere of the time...

We were still scared in 2003, and we had a right to be scared in 2003.

It's easy to forget what it felt like in 2003. That's one of the problems with history, it's hard to make people remember what it actually felt like in that time period. Unfortunately historians don't do a good job of really describing what it FEELS LIKE to be in those periods.

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well i don't think they lied. I think they were wrong, but they didn't lie. They were honestly responding to what they thought was a real threat though.

You forget what it was like in 2003. When everyone was screaming at the government "why didn't you prevent 9/11!, why didn't you catch it!" so of course they were being overly cautious.

It's easy to sit back in 2013 10 years later and forget the atmosphere of the time...

We were still scared in 2003, and we had a right to be scared in 2003.

It's easy to forget what it felt like in 2003. That's one of the problems with history, it's hard to make people remember what it actually felt like in that time period. Unfortunately historians don't do a good job of really describing what it FEELS LIKE to be in those periods.

We do know what happened because of people like Dick Clarke who have come out and told us. In the afternoon meeting on 9/11 the CIA was told to find a link between OBL and Sadam. The intelligence people told them there and then it was impossible as OBL hates SH, and thinks he's a heretic. So they lied there way to bollocks about 45minutes away from death, and WMDs being hidden.

I'll tell you what we, the people were doing in 2003, we were allowing our liberties stripped back through the politics of fear. As an American your rights are nothing like the rights envisaged the the founders. They've been stripped away after 9/11. We're all guilty.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

As an American your rights are nothing like the rights envisaged the the founders. They've been stripped away after 9/11. We're all guilty.

You have no idea how much i love being told about My rights from a fooking European lol.

enjoy that horse meat, that's being regulated by the EU my friend

Imagine all the other things in yur products that's being regulated from Brussels.

You ain't British, yur European now!

Originally Posted by lostalex

You have no idea how much i love being told about My rights from a fooking European lol.

It can't be as much as this European loves telling Americans about their rights.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It can't be as much as this European loves telling Americans about their rights.

yea, I've noticed. You convince all the Europeans that America is soo much worse, and the EU can take more and more and more...

enjoy the naivety (wait, i've seen this pattern before.. omg) what did george bush say about fool me twice?

Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, I've noticed. You convince all the Europeans that America is soo much worse, and the EU can take more and more and more...

enjoy the naivety (wait, i've seen this pattern before.. omg)

You have me wrong. Again. I'm not saying America is worse, far from it. I admire the American idea, and as a democracy it's far superior to 95% of Europe. It doesn't mean that both of our rights haven't been infringed upon since 9/11. That's all I'm saying.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You have me wrong. Again. I'm not saying America is worse, far from it. I admire the American idea, and as a democracy it's far superior to 95% of Europe. It doesn't mean that both of our rights haven't been infringed upon since 9/11. That's all I'm saying.

The far right is on the rise in Europe. anti-immigrant sentiment in Europe makes the Tea Party in America literally look like a tea party.

Originally Posted by lostalex

The far right is on the rise in Europe. anti-immigrant sentiment in Europe makes the Tea Party in America literally look like a tea party.

The far right always does better in times of economic recession. That's just history. Now we're talking about which side of the ocean has the beast racists? Really?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The far right always does better in times of economic recession. That's just history. Now we're talking about which side of the ocean has the beast racists? Really?

i don't think it needs to be discussed. the Golden dawn, UkiP, marie le penn, no far right parties in America have anywhere near as much support. Sarah Palin looks longingly at Europe and says "if only i was born on the other side of the atlantic". lol "if only i was with MY people, Europe must be so nice, where they appreciate WHITE people" lol

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Yes. He had 10 years to surrender. He had plenty of opportunities and chances. He chose instead to hide like a rat, hide like a coward. He was the 21st century Hitler, and he died like the cowardly rat he was.

If he believed he was innocent, he could have surrendered himself to the international court system and proven his case, HIS case was only that Americans are evil infidels and that he has every right to kill as many Americans as he could.

He was a violent racist piece of ****.

The international court system, pray tell what is that? is it totally devolved from American influence?

Originally Posted by lostalex

how would people react? well if George Bush had ordered the murder of every muslim in the world, then they would be justified. If Goerge Bush attempted a genocide and "holy war" the way that Osama Bin Laden had, and the United States protected him from justice, then they would absolutely be justified.

George Bush did not attempt a genocide though, George Bush was nothing like Osama Bin Laden, the comparison makes no sense. George Bush was only defending his own people. Osama Bin Laden was trying to impose his fascist islamic beliefs onto the entire world. He was the 21st century Hitler. George Bush was on the defensive, OBL was trying to kill every American.

Bin Laden didnt order the death of every American or "infidel" however GWB was in charge of an administration that caused the deaths of more Muslims than Americans who died under the orders of OBL, who is the biggest criminal?

Originally Posted by lostalex

And since the CIA and the military had tried to catch him before, but the PAKISTAN military would warn them, because clearly the pakistan military is helping the terrorists, why would the US trust them??

you make no sense.

Do you not understand that Pakistan is a terrorist state that supports the taliban??

Pakistan is not a terrorist state. it is an ally of the US, however members of the Pakistan administration, police and army have been known to pass information on to Al Q, etc.

Please get your facts right. It is a country divided within itself and there are factions within that country that do not like the Western influence of the US or UK

Originally Posted by lostalex

so are you denying that they have actually told us targets, that turned out to be civilians, like weddings, just to make the US look bad?

They have done that. They told us, bomb this location to get this terrorist, and then it turn out to be a wedding or a mosque or some other civilian place. They do it on purpose.

They have screwed us over so many times, they cannot be trusted anymore.


If we trusted them about the Bin Laden raid, there's no way we would have got him. They would have warned him. You know that's true.

Yes, the stories of weddings being bombed or targeted were true, unfortunately as the US press seems to have you believing these were not Pakistani intelligence led.

Even if they had been, its down to the person who pulls the trigger (or in this case hits the launch button on the hellfire from the drone) in the eyes of the law(both international, US Federal and the USCMJ) to determine how much credance to give to "external intelligence sources".

Originally Posted by lostalex

they wanted to bring him in alive, i'm sure the guys at guantanamo were foaming at the mouth thinking about the chance to get to torture that mutha fooka....

they were thinking, ohh, we gonna have some FUN with him...

personally i hope the conspiracy theories are right, i hope we do still have him alive somewhere, and we are torturing the crap out of him.


is that wrong of me? i'm sorry

No agree entirely with you on that point, what an intelligence scoop he is. AQ are still turtle necking over what he may or may not have passed along.

The problem is though, the OP asked if the OBL hit was legal, the answer is NO, morally justified, the only practical solution yes, but legal no.

Anyway on that note I wil raise a glass to OBL the worlds best Hide and seek champion ever, Sorry mate the games up courtesy MI6 and Seal Team 6 (when you care enough to send the 2nd best - not quite M&S)

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

was it lawfull to kill osma bin laden with out a trial?
saddam hussain got a trial despite being responsable for the death's of thousand's more than osama bin laden!

true bin laden was the leader but he was not pulling the trigger,

Too right, he was scum. The world is a better place without him.