[Kizzy]

Well much as I hate to jump into a debate feet first, I don't think for a second Amanda Knox will be returned to Italy.
Don't they have double jeopardy, so to them a retrial would be unlawful wouldn't it?

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well much as I hate to jump into a debate feet first, I don't think for a secong Amana Knox will be returned to Italy.
Don't they have double jeopardy, so to them a retrial would be unlawful wouldn't it?

Double Jeopardy my not apply - See here

Like I said earlier, I was surprised the Italian authorities did not stop her leaving the country since it was certain the prosecution were going to appeal.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..whether anyone personally believes Amanda Knox' innocence or not is irrelevant as for the moment she has been found innocent and so she is unless proven otherwise in a court of law...but if you look through this thread you will see that the member you're addressing most definately does believe her guilt and if you look at any other threads and posts made by this member, you will see that they are most definately not a troll, but very well respected..and with genuine and intelligent views ....

I do take your point re this members previous posts arguing her guilt, but its the voracity of his posts that led me to wonder why he personally felt so strongly that she was guilty.When you look at all the evidence and familiarise yourself with the whole story ie botched/corrupt Police investigation, unusual court practices, I wondered why someone could still be so convinced of her guilt.

It was for that reason that I rightly or wrongly took the view that his posts had an element of "Devils advocate with a mild degree of trolling". Baiting posts are nothing new on these forums but most serious informed people even if they leaned towards her guilt would not be shouting from the rafters to start E-Petitions...completely ridiculous in my view.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I do take your point re this members previous posts arguing her guilt, but its the voracity of his posts that led me to wonder why he personally felt so strongly that she was guilty.When you look at all the evidence and familiarise yourself with the whole story ie botched/corrupt Police investigation, unusual court practices, I wondered why someone could still be so convinced of her guilt.

It was for that reason that I rightly or wrongly took the view that his posts had an element of "Devils advocate with a mild degree of trolling". Baiting posts are nothing new on these forums but most serious informed people even if they leaned towards her guilt would not be shouting from the rafters to start E-Petitions...completely ridiculous in my view.

..I don't know obviously, but I think maybe he just feels very passionately that she's guilty and has from the beginning...for me it's irrelevant anyway because the law has found her innocent, therefore she is..I haven't really followed the case closely myself but I did watch a documentary which catalogued the botched up police investigations which were very many indeed....for me, the only important thing is that her family agree with the verdict and that they feel justice has been served over the loss of Meredith in such a dreadful way...

[Kizzy]

They don't they want a retrial...
''Italy's Supreme Court has overturned the acquittal of Knox and her Italian former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, who were originally sentenced to 26 and 25 years in prison for killing and sexually assaulting Miss Kercher in 2007.

The pair were acquitted on appeal in 2011 after four years in prison, but elder sister Stephanie Kercher said that she and her family were pleased at the court’s decision to overturn the acquittal.''

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...x-retrial.html

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

perfect post.

I don't see how anyone that has actually looked at all of the evidence could come to any other conclusion. How can there be thousands of fingerprints from Rudy Guede, but none from Amanda and Rafealle. I still haven't heard any of the Kercher family, or the prosecution, or people like Sticks explain how it's possible to only erase your own finger prints but leave someone else's behind.

How do you wipe surfaces and clean surfaces of your own finger prints, and leave the finger prints of someone else behind? it makes no sense.

Let me explain in simple terms then just so you understand. You might want to read it carefully through and consider it.

Life isnt really like "CSI anywhere".

Simply because no fingerprint evidence was presented does not mean "no fingerprint evidence" was found.

If the taking of a suspects fingerprints in any way flaunted rules/regulations/laws, the evidence of that persons fingerprints in the crime scene is not even allowed to be hinted at.

Same goes for DNA and all other forensic material.

Is there anything there you didnt understand?

Incidentally being in a small room for ten hours with the occassional slap(allegedly) is in no way to be compared to months, even years, of sensory deprivation, physical and mental abuse including waterboarding. Trust me on that, I know which one I would go for. So stop making silly comparisons.

[Marsh.]

Oh dear, what an awful flashback.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..whether anyone personally believes Amanda Knox' innocence or not is irrelevant as for the moment she has been found innocent and so she is unless proven otherwise in a court of law...but if you look through this thread you will see that the member you're addressing most definately does believe her guilt and if you look at any other threads and posts made by this member, you will see that they are most definately not a troll, but very well respected..and with genuine and intelligent views ....

His views are not respected and most certainly NOT intelligent.

He hasn't responded intelligently to any of the points made to him about this case. Every time someone corrects him he has another outburst spewing tabloid BS. His views are as intelligent as Vanessa Feltz is slim.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Let me explain in simple terms then just so you understand. You might want to read it carefully through and consider it.

Life isnt really like "CSI anywhere".

Simply because no fingerprint evidence was presented does not mean "no fingerprint evidence" was found.

If the taking of a suspects fingerprints in any way flaunted rules/regulations/laws, the evidence of that persons fingerprints in the crime scene is not even allowed to be hinted at.

Same goes for DNA and all other forensic material.

Is there anything there you didnt understand?


Incidentally being in a small room for ten hours with the occassional slap(allegedly) is in no way to be compared to months, even years, of sensory deprivation, physical and mental abuse including waterboarding. Trust me on that, I know which one I would go for. So stop making silly comparisons.

You didn't answer my question, you just made yourself look like a tit for being patronizing to me, and not even understanding the question to begin with.

explain how Amanda and Rafealle's finger prints were not in Meredith's room, but there were thousands of Rudy Guede's finger prints.

According to the prosecution, all three committed the crime together, so how is it that only 1 of the three left behind finger prints?

Do you understand the question now?


And wow, did you just justify torture? Yea, go ahead and abuse a young girl, who cares, she's American right? you are dispicable.

[Tom4784]

At the end of the day the evidence proved fallible enough to overturn her verdict, I don't see what's to gain from repeating the same song and dance over and over again. We'll never know if she's truly guilty or not because of the incredibly flawed investigation, it's a cold case now.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

At the end of the day the evidence proved fallible enough to overturn her verdict, .

No it wasn't

That is what the Italian Supreme court has said.

It has overturned the acquittals so therefore she and her boyfriend should be considered still guilty of first degree murder. Amanda Knox should be extradited and the pair of them should be locked to serve their sentences.

Why do people think because a guy is not white, he is guilty, but if it is a white women, she can not possibly be guilty?

Remember Amanda Knox is also convicted of lying through her teeth by accusing the manager of the bar where she worked and lying about being hit by police officers.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

No it wasn't

That is what the Italian Supreme court has said.

It has overturned the acquittals so therefore she and her boyfriend should be considered still guilty of first degree murder. Amanda Knox should be extradited and the pair of them should be locked to serve their sentences.

Why do people think because a guy is not white, he is guilty, but if it is a white women, she can not possibly be guilty?

Remember Amanda Knox is also convicted of lying through her teeth by accusing the manager of the bar where she worked and lying about being hit by police officers.

his race has nothing to do with it. They think he's guilty because there were thousands of fingerprints found, all belonging to him... he didn't know Meredith before this event, so why were his finger prints found all over her room and her body? Also He has a history of knife crime. He was also caught breaking in, and threatening a woman with a knife on a completely separate occasion. You think it's just a coincidence?

Rudy Guede is the killer. It's obvious. The only racism here is against Amanda for being American.

You claiming racism in this case is truly the boy crying wolf, and you disgrace all real racism victims in the world with these false claims of racism.

[Nedusa]

You have to wonder why the Italian authorities who had evidence and motive for the killer sought to weave a rather unlikely unconvincing and somewhat strange story involving Satanic ritual and sex and murder which drew the the other two including of course Amanda Knox. Was there some sought of Political motive involved ? Who knows but the relentless and misguided zeal that the Italian authorities employed to convince everyone that this was a planned conspiracy to murder a good friend does seem unusual.

Given where we are now serious questions have to be raised by the defence team in conjunction with the US authorities as to how a rather straight forward murder case evolved into a ridiculous unlikely horror film plot that has resulted in the lives of two innocent people being ruined.

The international criminal court must bring Italy to account over this fiasco

[Sticks]

No

Amanda and her former boyfriend should be rotting in prison for the murder of Meredith because she would not go along with their sordid little sex game, exactly as the prosecution said, as that is what the Italian supreme court has decided.

The scenario is utterly convincing because people do these things.

[billy123]

Lets hope that the extradition laws are equal to all that need to use them not just just the US that abuse them at every opportunity they get.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Lets hope that the extradition laws are equal to all that need to use them not just just the US that abuse them at every opportunity they get.

You mean like when the US requested Gary Mckinnon to be extradited and he wasn't? The UK doesn't respect extradition laws, so why should the US?

[letmein]

Amanda is innocent. Stop getting your info from trashy tabloids. The prosecuter was a religious nut, who hated her because she was an unmarried girl having sex. She was basically being prosecuted by the Catholic Church, and the Pope. The person who did it was Rudy Guede. Anyone who hasn't put that together by now either hates her because the British media told them to, or they hate her because she's a white, American, female. Look at what the media put out about her today, it's all misogyny, calling her a slut. What was done to her is unbelievable. A complete nightmare. Italy is one messed up place. It's legal system has always been a debacle.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

You have to wonder why the Italian authorities who had evidence and motive for the killer sought to weave a rather unlikely unconvincing and somewhat strange story involving Satanic ritual and sex and murder which drew the the other two including of course Amanda Knox.

Because the prosecutor was a conservative religious nutcase, a man who hates women. He was one step away from claiming demotic possession. They questioning her for days on end, to the point where she couldn't even think straight. They don't follow modern Western law. You need to keep that in mind. What they did with her would be illegal in Britain or the US.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by letmein

Amanda is innocent. Stop getting your info from trashy tabloids. The prosecuter was a religious nut, who hated her because she was an unmarried girl having sex. She was basically being prosecuted by the Catholic Church, and the Pope. The person who did it was Rudy Guede. Anyone who hasn't put that together by now either hates her because the British media told them to, or they hate her because she's a white, American, female. Look at what the media put out about her today, it's all misogyny, calling her a slut. What was done to her is unbelievable. A complete nightmare. Italy is one messed up place. It's legal system has always been a debacle.

where the hell have you been? welcome back.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Sticks

The scenario is utterly convincing because people do these things.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by lostalex

where the hell have you been? welcome back.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by letmein

Amanda is innocent. Stop getting your info from trashy tabloids. The prosecuter was a religious nut, who hated her because she was an unmarried girl having sex. She was basically being prosecuted by the Catholic Church, and the Pope. The person who did it was Rudy Guede. Anyone who hasn't put that together by now either hates her because the British media told them to, or they hate her because she's a white, American, female. Look at what the media put out about her today, it's all misogyny, calling her a slut. What was done to her is unbelievable. A complete nightmare. Italy is one messed up place. It's legal system has always been a debacle.

Thanks for this info , I agree this whole story is hard to believe and in a European country to boot. I personally do not understand why there has not been more of an outcry over this whole sad affair, it's bad enough we have to stomach such an outrageous miscarriage of justice but to do so whilst reading the misguided and ridiculous ramblings of some members on this forum just makes matters even worse...!!!!

[Shaun]

Wow, found guilty again :/

[Samm]

It's been going on for so long I don't understand it anymore

[Sticks]

Basically Amanda Knox and her boyfriend murdered Meredith Kercher

We need to start a petition now to force Obama to extradite her now!