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Originally Posted by the truth

and what did we get from labour? all of the above plus...trebling student fees, collapsed economy, massive wars based on lies, mega government and local government waste anc rorruption, .unemployement trillions in debt, higher taxes for the poor, did nothing for industry at all, 10 million workshy chavs living off the state, record teen abortions/pregnancies, giving all our rights to the useless corrupt wasteful european project, broken homes, fatherless families, collapse of any moral structure especially in the NHS, boobs jobs on the nhs but more delay for cancer treatment? waste waste lies, spin and at the end of 13 years, the gap between rich and poor the biggest for 100+ years

the tories are useless but since theyve been in at least we have 600,000 fewer unemplyed and over 500,000 new jobs, lower taxes for the poorer, debts slightly falling, means testing millions of lazy workless chavs who simply breed to make money, standing up to europe at least a little bit

The Truth, you do usually have a base to your arguments but where on earth did Labour treble tuition fees?
They introduced them but trebling them up to a max of £9,000 per year from £3,000 was done by this Coalition Govt,not Labour,they had no plans to increase Tuition fees.
I know because I voted for the Lib Dems to stop that happening,again how wrong I was to trust them and I knew the Conservatives were certainly going to at least double them anyway.

I think the post you made above actually sounds more like life and the situation after the last Conservative Govt after 18 years in power to be frank,in my view.
I would say if you cannot get things sorted and fair and right after 18 years of unbroken power then that has to be failure on a grand scale.
No Party in Govt has had that unbroken time in power with good majorities post 1900.
While I defend your right to say it, I also disagree very strongly strongly with your generalisation of so called lazy,workshy chavs too.

The odd thing is that all independent sources state that by 2015 people will be worse off than they were in 2010, doesn't sound like Labour made such a great mess to me then,until the global recession hit and the banking crisis occurred.
However,whoever had been in power in 2008, would have left a massive mess to sort out after that happening.
This Govt though, seems to blame the poorest and weakest in society for that not the powerful bankers who failed miserably and were the large part of the crisis anyway.

I know you have issues with the NHS, possibly personal ones,that is your feleings and your obversations of the NHS,however I see it differently.
I doubt I and others ever could likely convince you that we don't see what you see on the scale you say you have seen it.
I have seen some of it, and read about it but I haven't found it to be the norm as to the NHS, far from it in fact.