[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by JH95

Very true Ammi. If the trolls have their way for a week, it'll die down.

Am not Ammi, jake.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it was Annie, Jake lol..

Oh for god sake haha, sorry Annie, have edited it now ...

[AnnieK]

That's ok...being called Ammi is a compliment

[Ammi]

..no worries Jake..Annie and I are practically the same person anyway.....

[Jake.]

I'm normally fine but for some reason now and again I mix up names without evening noticing haha

[Ammi]

..LOL...snap.....

[Mystic Mock]

I don't agree with this campaign, although I must admit that I find it amusing.

But my point anyway is that we're suppose to be in a democracy and that the Government shouldn't be telling people how to feel, and the BBC should play the song as after all it is their job to play songs that are in the top 10.

I also think that the Tories aren't helping matters by spending 8 to 10 million pounds on a State Funeral, especially when this country is meant to be suffering financially.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I don't see anything that isn't disgusting about a hate campaign over the death of someone...

Because you have to understand how this woman destroyed so many people's lives and communities, and how that will, understandably, have left them feeling bitter with resentment. I've had some people on my Twitter timeline longing for her death for years and tweeting things about parties when she finally dies. As I said, I don't really have much of an opinion on it myself and can see both sides of the argument, but you do have to see the flip side of this. The reason it's an opinion as to whether or not this is disgusting is because to me, this is near enough on the same level as dark-humoured jokes and comedians like Frankie Boyle making jokes at the expense of disabled children or people that have been murdered; while some people argue that's disgusting, some people take the view that comedy has no bounds and so as such it's not disgusting. This is, to me at least, is similar - it's making fun of somebody's death - some people will see that as disgusting, others will not. It all depends on how she affected your life, how much you know about her and how you stand on dark-humoured jokes and the like. It's a tiny bit above a 'sick' joke but it's not completely dissimilar.

Some people would also of course argue points like 'well, she's dead and she's not going to know about it - so why does it matter'?' or 'she wouldn't have cared anyway' or 'well if people are allowed to celebrate other people's deaths, like Osama Bin Laden's and yet we're supposed to respect the dead - why can't we celebrate this woman's death?', even if the difference in how they affected people's lives is drastically different. These aren't necessarily my views, I'm just pointing out how it is a matter of opinion whether this campaign is disgusting or not.

[Z]

On the flip side of the coin, by playing the song they could be accused of taking the side of the anti-Thatcher camp, it swings both ways. I think they're just as likely to just not play the song and say they don't want to play it out of political sensitivity as they are to play the song and get on with it. They should be impartial, absolutely, but how do you weigh up impartiality in a case like this? Very intriguing to see what will happen...

[Jake.]

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Zee

On the flip side of the coin, by playing the song they could be accused of taking the side of the anti-Thatcher camp, it swings both ways. I think they're just as likely to just not play the song and say they don't want to play it out of political sensitivity as they are to play the song and get on with it. They should be impartial, absolutely, but how do you weigh up impartiality in a case like this? Very intriguing to see what will happen...

But when the point of the chart show is to play the top 40 songs that people have been buying during the week, to go out of their way to not do that would be them taking a stance on the issue (whether that's a political one or a moral one, it's not up to them to do so). If this makes the top 10 there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it should be played, the top 10 is now streamed live on the Radio 1 website and all the videos are played (again, I'm not sure if there is one for this but if there isn't usually they either have a listener made video [LOL at the thought] or just play it without one) so there'd be absolutely no excuse not to. I know there was a point the Official Chart went through where they didn't play every song from 40 - 11, and then this issue would be a little different cause they could get away with it if it didn't reach #10, but I'm sure that's changed now.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by JH95

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

I have to agree with this. A lot of people have a chip on their shoulder about her because of what their parents tell them or w/e.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by JH95

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

You have a point, but you have got to remember that some of those younger people might have had parents that suffered really badly under Margaret Thatcher and are bitter towards her as it probably affected them in their childhood.

Although I still standby that she wasn't as bad as the likes of Robert Mugabe which is how some people make her out to be.

And before people say that I wasn't around during Thatcher's time, I think I would still have a good idea that she wasn't as bad as people like Robert Mugabe or Saddam Hussein.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JH95

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

[Mystic Mock]

Hitler is a bit more evil than Thatcher though Jack lol.

Although I see your point.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

But for people my/your age to not be around during that time and to dislike her politics (which is fine) is one thing, buying a song (which mocks her death) because you didn't like her politics (not refering to you personally here Jack) despite not being around then is just ridiculous.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

I respect what you're saying, but if people are stupid enough to start rioting over a dead woman then they're probably stupid enough not to form a valid opinion on her politics et al.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But when the point of the chart show is to play the top 40 songs that people have been buying during the week, to go out of their way to not do that would be them taking a stance on the issue (whether that's a political one or a moral one, it's not up to them to do so). If this makes the top 10 there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it should be played, the top 10 is now streamed live on the Radio 1 website and all the videos are played (again, I'm not sure if there is one for this but if there isn't usually they either have a listener made video [LOL at the thought] or just play it without one) so there'd be absolutely no excuse not to. I know there was a point the Official Chart went through where they didn't play every song from 40 - 11, and then this issue would be a little different cause they could get away with it if it didn't reach #10, but I'm sure that's changed now.

As you said, they don't always play the forty songs in the countdown, and considering the length of the song they may well just omit it anyway and spend less than a minute explaining the context of its chart placing for that week. I agree that it's a chart show, it should play the chart, but as this is a politically sensitive issue, they'll be criticised for playing it and they'll be criticised for not playing it, so I think whatever transpires they'll try and give a very balanced view - to simply not play it or to simply play it, either way without an explanation, would be highly inflammatory.

[Brother Leon]

The "They weren't born when she was in power" debate is ridiculous.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

I agree but I think jake is not referring to people like you who actually know what her policies were and what she stood for and dislike her for that but more people who just love a ruck as there is undoubtably this at play too.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by JH95

But for people my/your age to not be around during that time and to dislike her politics (which is fine) is one thing, buying a song (which mocks her death) because you didn't like her politics (not refering to you personally here Jack) despite not being around then is just ridiculous.

Of course it's ridiculous, but refusing to play a song (as after all that's all it is) is going to make them look ridiculous, plus this country isn't suppose to be like China or Russia where we tell people what we can and can't do.

[Z]

Yeah I think it's a pretty condescending point to make. If you were alive during her time in office, you're far more likely to have a strong opinion on the matter, and yes, many people who were born after her time in office, or were too young to remember it, will not be very knowledgable about her, but anyone can research her politics and form their own opinion on her...

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by anniek76

I agree but I think jake is not referring to people like you who actually know what her policies were and what she stood for and dislike her for that but more people who just love a ruck as there is undoubtably this at play too.

This all over. If you're clued up and know you're stuff then fair enough, but the amount of younger morons who will buy it despite not even having a clue is silly

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

..honestly Jack, you really can't equate Margaret Thatcher with Hitler..but on the subject of WW2..that was a nation joined together and united in war and their losses and fears...what's happening now is a nation united in hatred..and people have a right to feel that if they want to and feel very passionately about it and show those feelings...but the people who don't feel the same, because she's dead and don't see the point in this, will feel just as passionately that this whole thing and everything on the internet etc is distasteful....

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Of course it's ridiculous, but refusing to play a song (as after all that's all it is) is going to make them look ridiculous, plus this country isn't suppose to be like China or Russia where we tell people what we can and can't do.

It's not really though Mock, the song is being used as a parody as a womans death.