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alex_front2 · 08-07-2013, 03:41 PM

There was a time when the non-nicey wicey HM would have been kicked out ,thrown out (BB1 Nasty Nick) or had no chance of winning as bad guys never win.

However, over the last couple of years I've seen a shift away from the niceys who are often bland and towards the anti-heroes, villains, stirers and game-players e.g. Rex, Aaron, Gina, Dexter, Speidi, Caroline, Deana. BB12 Aaron's win was a major BB land-mark in terms of the types who win. Mark probably would have won (no problems with that) but given he absconded many assumed it would be nicey wicey Alex or Tom.

There seems to be an admission that the anti-heroes provide a lot of drama and instead of talking about them and then voting them out we are - THANKFULLY - keeping them in.

Gina and Dexter would have been fully evicted by now in the very early series.

Indy · 08-07-2013, 03:45 PM

There aren't really any options, even Alex and Tom got bitchy when it suited them. The "nice" players of BB1-5 would never even make it into the house today, so there is no longer a true nice one to root for. Even last year, while Adam and Luke primarily had the moral high ground, they weren't pristine.

Lolzzzzzzzz · 08-07-2013, 03:46 PM

BB3 had four housemates in the final who ranged from extremely bitchy (Jade) to just bitchy when it suited (Kate at times did but mostly about Jade). None of them were squeaky clean and I wouldn't want them to be. I don't really think it's a new thing, people have always whinged about the "big characters" leaving early.

jet · 08-07-2013, 03:50 PM

Yeah, 'villian' types have a good chance of taking the crown now. I think it reflects the general lowering of values in our society.
I admit that I like them to stay in the house until near the end for the sake of entertainment, but I much prefer a nice (but not boring) person to actually win.

alex_front2 · 08-07-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

Yeah, 'villian' types have a good chance of taking the crown now. I think it reflects the general lowering of values in our society.
I admit that I like them to stay in the house until near the end for the sake of entertainment, but I much prefer a nice (but not boring) person to actually win.

But nice people by and large - be definition - tend to either be boring or less interesting than nice people. Sophie and Charlie are nice girls but duller than minx Hazel.

Lolzzzzzzzz · 08-07-2013, 03:55 PM

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But nice people by and large - be definition - tend to either be boring or less interesting than nice people. Sophie and Charlie are nice girls but duller than minx Hazel.

According to BB Charlie woke up today with a new attitude to stirr things up, I guess Dexter and Gina's Q&A session with her re: the DR has made her rethink her place in the house.

alex_front2 · 08-07-2013, 03:59 PM

I think you can no longer bb 100% Cameron and Rachel rice would struggle. Dan who is essentially a decent guy has shown a nasty side, would fare better than a couple of previous winners.

chuff me dizzy · 08-07-2013, 04:19 PM

Aaron did nothing to be in the list of ,non nicey hm8s ?? he was a lovely man ,and to rank him with the same brush as Speidi and the rest is a downright insult !!

smeagol · 08-07-2013, 04:25 PM

dont get that list. arron deana dex & rex even are all normal .

anti heros would be people like charlie or grace or sallie etc

pcro · 08-07-2013, 04:38 PM

Non-nice "villain" house mates are still at high risk with vote to evict. However, instead of villainous, Gina and Dexter were turned into under dogs early on. This dynamic is very powerful with the public. Throw in a lot of humour from Gina and its a good combo.

Vanessa · 08-07-2013, 04:44 PM

I love the not nicey nicey housemates. They're the most interesting for me. That's why i loved Rex and i'm such a massive Dexter supporter.

Vicky. · 08-07-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Aaron did nothing to be in the list of ,non nicey hm8s ?? he was a lovely man ,and to rank him with the same brush as Speidi and the rest is a downright insult !!

From the people listed..I am taking 'not nice' to mean 'not boring'

King Gizzard · 08-07-2013, 04:48 PM

Thing about all of those were they weren't 'nice' as you say, but the audience could get behind them because they were always on the right side vs the horrible housemates. For example Rex against Jen and that horrible lot, even if he was a prick himself. A loveable great prick

Well, Dexter and Aaron at least.

Kazanne · 08-07-2013, 04:57 PM

Aaron is the odd one out there , he wasn't nasty at all , he was a fab housemate as was Rex who was just naughty and caused lots of drama.

Vanessa · 08-07-2013, 04:58 PM

Dexter is a mix of my favourite housemates : Rex, Aaron , Freddie and Nick!

BigBrotherfan4ever · 08-07-2013, 05:30 PM

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Aaron is the odd one out there , he wasn't nasty at all , he was a fab housemate as was Rex who was just naughty and caused lots of drama.

I agree with you with about Aaron & Rex, still my all time favourite HM's, still gutted that Rex never won.

Vanessa · 08-07-2013, 05:33 PM

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I agree with you with about Aaron & Rex, still my all time favourite HM's, still gutted that Rex never won.

I think by not nicey nicey the op means Aaron and Rex were not like Cameron and Rachel. These are the nice, boring ones.

Kazanne · 08-07-2013, 05:35 PM

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I agree with you with about Aaron & Rex, still my all time favourite HM's, still gutted that Rex never won.

I wanted Rex to win too he gave so much more than the winner as 'nice' as she was,Rex made that series imo.winner in my eyes

BigBrotherfan4ever · 08-07-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think by not nicey nicey the op means Aaron and Rex were not like Cameron and Rachel. These are the nice, boring ones.

I know what they meant

, but I'm really am gutted that Rex didn't win

Vanessa · 08-07-2013, 05:38 PM

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I know what they meant

, but I'm really am gutted that Rex didn't win

Me too! He was amazing! I blame awful Nicole for that.

LemonJam · 08-07-2013, 05:38 PM

It's more about the "underdogs" than the villains. The people on the outs are nearly always the people who have the biggest fanbase.

Vanessa · 08-07-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonJam

It's more about the "underdogs" than the villains. The people on the outs are nearly always the people who have the biggest fanbase.

That's true and that's why i want Dexter to win.

starry · 08-07-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonJam

It's more about the "underdogs" than the villains. The people on the outs are nearly always the people who have the biggest fanbase.

..in vote to evict, or the stupid version of vote to save with only two up.

Roy Mars III · 08-07-2013, 05:48 PM

people loved Rex because he was going up against housemates than were much worse than him (the whisper club)

BigBrotherfan4ever · 08-07-2013, 05:49 PM

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Me too! He was amazing! I blame awful Nicole for that.

Definitely, if she hadn't came in I'm pretty certain he would have won

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