[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by kefln

Emphasize?

How is refusing to talk about it to the group and saying to dan that she hopes what happened doesnt effect daleys career, or his image in the press, emphasizing the very moments of the incident and nothing else?

I'm not convinced she was never going to talk about it. She was probably thinking of ways to reveal it to housemates without any blame being shifted onto her because remember they had been against the way they acted towards each other since the beginning so they probably wouldn't have believed her all the way. As Dexter kind of said yesterday? He knows the bloke, no point sending out the lynchmob without knowing the full story or something like that.

But when Dan offered to tell them suddenly she wasn't reluctant to let the dirty laundry out. It would probably make her look more vulnerable if than said it rather than if she said it. As Dan told she got the chance to play extremely hurt victim then turn on the waterworks when she didn't even turn on the waterworks the morning after.

Just have to add that I am by no means saying what Daley did was excusable but I can't forget what the woman was like prior to this.
I'm also adding that I blame porn for the way this generation is unable to distinguish the fine line between playful flirting and bordering on threatening/abusive. You watch porn nowadays and all you see is men grabbing womens throats as she chokes on his privates or while she's screaming "yes just like that I love it.", and he says aggressive stuff to her. It's confusing for some, they can't decide that line. Still no excuse but I am just saying.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

That's why I included "even though he did engage in things as well" but my post was more about Hazel. I am annoyed me that she seemed to want to milk the situation and not take some blame for what happened over the weeks. She is just going to emphasize the very moments of the incident and nothing else around it.

Every word Niamh says in true and all those who have not seen the whole incident with the very long lead in need to see it. THE HL show does not do the incident justice.

There was a long lead in where Daley was already angry with her, he lied to get her to come in to the house by swearing something on his kids life that wasn't true. He was very drunk and totally out of control and this was before Hazel had even got in to the same room as him.

I don't see how Hazel can take any blame when she was in a completely different part of the house.

[steviebhoy]

Sophie, Gina and Dexter will nominate her next week, she'll then be up and be duly evicted next Friday

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She hasn't been milking anything though, when did she do that? The only reason she even told anyone (besides Dan) was because of the Tennis Ball (that BB probably sent in) And I'm not sure if you watched the l/f of that night but it was quite clear that Daley was angry and agitated long before he forced Hazel by lying to her to come into the safe house

Just curious did she tell Dan that she pulled his pants down and slapped his arse of was it just about the moment he did what he did?

It's true I didn't watch the l/f.

I did write in a thread prior to that night, I don't know where but I said be careful Hazel he is a boxer after all. If he was angry before he told her to get in the safe house, she really shouldn't have aggravated him more by keeping his duvet from him which he desperately wanted back to actually get back to sleep, and she shouldn't have pulled his pants down really.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Just curious did she tell Dan that she pulled his pants down and slapped his arse of was it just about the moment he did what he did?

It's true I didn't watch the l/f.

I did write in a thread prior to that night, I don't know where but I said be careful Hazel he is a boxer after all. If he was angry before he told her to get in the safe house, she really shouldn't have aggravated him more by keeping his duvet from him which he desperately wanted back to actually get back to sleep, and she shouldn't have pulled his pants down really.

She did tell Dan that and she told him she got a warning for it too.

Hazel wasn't aware of how agitated and angry he was though, she was outside with Charlie while he was pacing and ranting. We got to see it but she wasn't there with him then. I really don't think Hazel thought he was being serious until right at the end. No of course she shouldn't have pulled his pants down and it was totally justified that she got a warning for that too and she also took responsibility for that.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by steviebhoy

Sophie, Gina and Dexter will nominate her next week, she'll then be up and be duly evicted next Friday

I don't think Dexter will nom Hazel. He fancies her.

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Just curious did she tell Dan that she pulled his pants down and slapped his arse of was it just about the moment he did what he did?.

Yes she told Dan. Think it was in the tree house.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

She better not. Before Daley grabbed her throat she was a bitch, cock teasing a man that told her to stop it, even though he did engage in things as well and she didn't care that he had a girlfriend at home, plus she thought she was the queen bee of the house. People mustn't forget this. Other than being the "victim" in the last 2 days she has brought nothing good to the house

all true, its a shame really, she has got some personality I just don't think she believes in herself, outside f her glamour modelling

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I don't think Dexter will nom Hazel. He fancies her.



Yes she told Dan. Think it was in the tree house.

she didn't tell him properly and he certainly didn't listen properly , he rarely does, hes in too big a hurry to get into controlling copper mde

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Just curious did she tell Dan that she pulled his pants down and slapped his arse of was it just about the moment he did what he did?

It's true I didn't watch the l/f.

I did write in a thread prior to that night, I don't know where but I said be careful Hazel he is a boxer after all. If he was angry before he told her to get in the safe house, she really shouldn't have aggravated him more by keeping his duvet from him which he desperately wanted back to actually get back to sleep, and she shouldn't have pulled his pants down really.

Niamh is right again. Hazel had no idea how angry he was cuz she was outside chatting to Charlie while he was inside acting like the incredible Hulk. It was amazing how angry he got effectively on his own. Very weird.

When she nicked his duvet she had no clue of how angry he was. She thought it was playful thing to do but he was not happy at all when she did it. It took her too long to realise he was not joking with her..

You need to watch the lf it will change your perspective. It certainly changed mine. We can talk forever about what happened over the past four weeks but what happened on that night was entirely Daleys fault Hazel didn't know how his anger was stewing and brewing while she was chatting to Charlie.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

I'm not convinced she was never going to talk about it. She was probably thinking of ways to reveal it to housemates without any blame being shifted onto her because remember they had been against the way they acted towards each other since the beginning so they probably wouldn't have believed her all the way. As Dexter kind of said yesterday? He knows the bloke, no point sending out the lynchmob without knowing the full story or something like that.

But when Dan offered to tell them suddenly she wasn't reluctant to let the dirty laundry out. It would probably make her look more vulnerable if than said it rather than if she said it. As Dan told she got the chance to play extremely hurt victim then turn on the waterworks when she didn't even turn on the waterworks the morning after.

Just have to add that I am by no means saying what Daley did was excusable but I can't forget what the woman was like prior to this.
I'm also adding that I blame porn for the way this generation is unable to distinguish the fine line between playful flirting and bordering on threatening/abusive. You watch porn nowadays and all you see is men grabbing womens throats as she chokes on his privates or while she's screaming "yes just like that I love it.", and he says aggressive stuff to her. It's confusing for some, they can't decide that line. Still no excuse but I am just saying.

Sorry Im confused. You are holding against her the fact that you believe that she was going to play the victim to the group. That you believe that she was going to emphasize all the daley bad parts and exonerate herself? But since that didnt happen, she still guilty of it? Catch22 there.

You cant blame someone for not doing something that you would have objected too, had they done it.

And I dont really care if people watch porn and get excited by some of the odd things they see. A person has to have violence in them before they act violently. Simply seeing it doesnt excuse acting on it. If that was the case Id be driving cars into helicopters after watching die hard.

[Johnnyuk123]

Are they having a tombola in the BB house? Oh this show.... no chance.

[Brother Leon]

There will be an all up vote before the final at some stage and she is gone then.

[blue]

Originally Posted by kefln

No.

There are too many "haters" out there. People that see daley as an innocent boy taken advantage of.

Have to give her snaps though. She has stayed, mostly, calm in a very stressful situation. She has stayed loyal to daley, dispite what happened on sunday. She could have played it all up for sympathy, instead she tried to sweep it under the carpet.

are for real gosh, she only sweeped it under the carpet b'cos she knows fully well it was 50/50, i believe she showed him she was enjoying his dark side, my a*** she was terrified, stupid public falling for her charms, pack of sheeps da lot of you who side her.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by blue

are for real gosh, she only sweeped it under the carpet b'cos she knows fully well it was 50/50, i believe she showed him she was enjoying his dark side, my a*** she was terrified, stupid public falling for her charms, pack of sheeps da lot of you who side her.

SHe was definitely terrified. Theres a moment in the vid where she kind of froze and stopped moving. I think she'd finally realised he was serious and not play fighting.

[Benjamin]

If all the housemates need is two noms to be then Gina and Sophie will ensure she is up next week.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by kefln

Sorry Im confused. You are holding against her the fact that you believe that she was going to play the victim to the group. That you believe that she was going to emphasize all the daley bad parts and exonerate herself? But since that didnt happen, she still guilty of it? Catch22 there.

You cant blame someone for not doing something that you would have objected too, had they done it.

And I dont really care if people watch porn and get excited by some of the odd things they see. A person has to have violence in them before they act violently. Simply seeing it doesnt excuse acting on it. If that was the case Id be driving cars into helicopters after watching die hard.

Yep as I said, it doesn't excuse it.

[joeysteele]

I don't think she can but I would like to see make the final.
If Sophie and Gina are really so against her though and it is anyone with 2 noms being up for eviction, then that is going to be hard for her to achieve too I think.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by blue

are for real gosh, she only sweeped it under the carpet b'cos she knows fully well it was 50/50, i believe she showed him she was enjoying his dark side, my a*** she was terrified, stupid public falling for her charms, pack of sheeps da lot of you who side her.

Yes instead, lets side with the serial love cheat, with kids at home, that likes to strangle women and threaten them...

Talking about stupid public falling for charms.

[blue]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

SHe was definitely terrified. Theres a moment in the vid where she kind of froze and stopped moving. I think she'd finally realised he was serious and not play fighting.

hazel is a disgrace to real victims in the world, she is no victim, she wanted him to have sex with her but instead got a slap, some women do get turned on when
a man gets a bit aggressive and she's the prove.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Yep as I said, it doesn't excuse it.

Sorry, I mightnt have made myself clear. I know you did. Thats not up for debate as far as im concerned. I was just following on from your commentary on watching porn. That its not an excuse to blame something on tv for your actions

[kefln]

Originally Posted by blue

hazel is a disgrace to real victims in the world, she is no victim, she wanted him to have sex with her but instead got a slap, some women do get turned on when
a man gets a bit aggressive and she's the prove.

And with that statement you have lost all credibility and arent worth debating with

[Kazanne]

I don't think she'll be up as the housemates wont nominate her through sympathy,but we'll see.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by blue

hazel is a disgrace to real victims in the world, she is no victim, she wanted him to have sex with her but instead got a slap, some women do get turned on when
a man gets a bit aggressive and she's the prove.

No one can seriously equate Hazel to a woman in an abusive relationship who been systematically raped, beaten and controlled for a number of years.

I know some women like that kind of stuff cuz guess what, I've had relationships with two, not one, but two women who liked it like that. I was never into it much TBH Not my style. But here's the thing, without revealing too much it turns out that both of those women weren't actually that into it. It turns out they were simply being submissive to earlier boyfriends who somehow managed to convince them that rough sex was the best sex. Controlling ex-boyfriends seem to be quite prevalent in my ex-girlfriends.

Anyway, I digress, and I've revealed too much about myself. So many people hate Hazel but why? What has she done wrong? When you look into it she hasn't done much wrong.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't think she'll be up as the housemates wont nominate her through sympathy,but we'll see.

Gina and Sophie will nominate her, I'd bet my life on it and if it only takes two noms then she'll be up

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Gina and Sophie will nominate her, I'd bet my life on it and if it only takes two noms then she'll be up

Why do those two hate her? I don't get it.