[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Videostar

I do respect yours, I respect that you are the first Sam supporter to at least answer my question, and I thank you for that.

Ok thank you.

[Jack_]

Well anyone that's made comments about his hearing difficulties needs to take a long hard look at themselves because as much as I may dislike the guy as a housemate, that's just pathetic. Having said that I can't exactly say I've seen any comments made about his hearing anyway so...

But his disability isn't the reason I don't value him as a housemate and if he wasn't a ****ing bore it wouldn't be the reason I'd like him either. Look, he's done **** all all series and would categorically be the worst winner ever, perhaps of anything ever shown on British TV. Just because he's had one minor disagreement with Dexter (in which he was in the right, that I will concede) it doesn't mean he should now automatically be given victory just because for some unknown reason on here housemates that actually contribute to the series are seen as the antichrist.

He is a bore. He hasn't contributed anything all series. He would be a ****ing dreadful winner. Discussion closed.

[Brother Leon]

Evidence of people hating Sam due to his condition???

People who hate Sam aren't like the majority of Anti Dexter peeps who make fun of his size or appearance regularly. We just find Sam dull as ****.

[KingOfTheMods]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Look, I like HM's because they are interesting, decent people and have led interesting lives and deal with challenges on a daily basis.

You like HM's because you find them playing 'its a knockout' type games amusing, despite them being total arseholes.

We're clearly operating on two different intellectual levels. If the show returned to the format that it was in BB1 I guess you would lose interest, where I would welcome it.

Just let it be, cos you are getting as tedious as the man in your avatar.

Wow u r kewl. As tolerant as you want everyrone else to be.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Videostar

I haven't said a word about Sam's "health" as you put it.

If anything his supporters like Sam simply because of his life story as there isn't anything else to like about him.


I keep asking Sam fans why do they support him, what has he done that deserves the 100k and they NEVER ANSWER.

Sorry but that just isn't true. You simply choose not accept their answers. I know this because in the thread asking people why they like Sam I gave my answers.

I said:

I then later said:

The expanding winkie jest was one line weeks ago but that gets rolled out as the prime example of his humour.

There've been loads of one liners that have made me laugh. I think my favourite was 'he's so rude he'd make an onion cry'.

His humour is mainly low key and easy to miss if you aren't looking out for it. He has an excellent way with words.

For all that he's young and there are lots of things he doesn't know, on raw intelligence I think he's one of the cleverest people in there. Not clever as in games player, but clever as in astute.

I gave those answers because of this post by you:

Originally Posted by Videostar

I keep asking Sam supporters this and they either never answer the question or give sarcy answers.

I would love to hear genuine reason as to why he should win.

You seemed to genuinely want to hear why people liked/supported Sam.

Now. You can disagree with that all you like, it doesn't change the fact that reasons were offered for liking Sam. To suggest that you keep on asking but people NEVER answer is an untruth. You may not like the answers, but that's really not the point is it?


One final point: Cynical Hermit offered, amongst several reasons, the fact that he was impressed with the way Sam had handled certain things within the house. Saying you impressed with how someone deals with some of the difficulties associated with a disability is not the same as saying you support them because of their disability, or that you support them out of sympathy for their disability. But: that gets picked up and twisted into 'sympathy vote Sam' and the rest of the reasoning gets ignored.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Evidence of people hating Sam due to his condition???

People who hate Sam aren't like the majority of Anti Dexter peeps who make fun of his size or appearance regularly. We just find Sam dull as ****.

Maybe you don't make comments of that ilk, but plenty do. And personally I find the comments about Dexter's size and the twin's obesity just as unpleasant. same with comments suggesting that because Dan was camp he shouldn't have been accepted into the police force.

The fact that people make nasty comments about Dexter's physical appearance does not make it ok that other people make nasty comments about Sam's disability. They don't cancel each other out ffs.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I don't agree Indy, I feel hatred for no one, its immature and childish to 'hate' on a big brother contestant, its a television gameshow, why would you hate someone you've never met. I can see why you would make this post though because there are a lot of people whose posts scream of hatred and the way some carry on you'd think they murdered someone. Hate is a terrible emotion to have. I would rather use the word dislike and I dislike Sam because I find him cocky and boring and nothing to do with his hearing at all. Anyone who would be nasty over his hearing difficulties should be ashamed of themselves. Most of the reasons for people not liking Sam is because he's been proper boring

You apparently missed my point completely. I was pointing out the incredibly rude ASSumption of the OP.

[Verbal]

Videostar, you have officially been Dana'd

[Vicky.]

The broken quotes in this thread are giving me forum OCD but my net is too slow today to sort them all out

The only time I personally have seen posts about sams hearing is when people say things like 'he will win because he is deaf'. I dont think this is too unfair an assumption to make..Nadia, Pete, Luke A..all won for being 'different'. Yeah some may argue that they would have won anyway, but it does seem like if you have some kind of disability you are more likely to do well and have your bad behaviors 'excused'. Steve from bb11 was opening night fave IIRC. Why? Well I cant think of anything that set him aside from the rest besides his disability.

Posts taking the piss out of Sam for being deaf are against the rules, report them. I see james has already commented in here about that. But posts saying that he gets preferential treatment (for want of better words)from voters..I dont think theres a problem with those, as it does seem that way

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The broken quotes in this thread are giving me forum OCD but my net is too slow today to sort them all out

The only time I personally have seen posts about sams hearing is when people say things like 'he will win because he is deaf'. I dont think this is too unfair an assumption to make..Nadia, Pete, Luke A..all won for being 'different'. Yeah some may argue that they would have won anyway, but it does seem like if you have some kind of disability you are more likely to do well and have your bad behaviors 'excused'. Steve from bb11 was opening night fave IIRC. Why? Well I cant think of anything that set him aside from the rest besides his disability.

Posts taking the piss out of Sam for being deaf are against the rules, report them. I see james has already commented in here about that. But posts saying that he gets preferential treatment (for want of better words)from voters..I dont think theres a problem with those, as it does seem that way

I will make more of an effort to report them in future. As i've said i've no problem with people who give genuine reasons for not liking him. It also annoys me when people say it is a sympathy vote, whilst not against the rules its patronising.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I will make more of an effort to report them in future. As i've said i've no problem with people who give genuine reasons for not liking him. It also annoys me when people say it is a sympathy vote, whilst not against the rules its patronising.

I do believe that's the point - Sam is being patronized to the end. It's not people who observe it who are condescending, it's those who are actually doing it. Even worse when those who observe it are labeled ridiculous exaggerations like "hater".

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Sorry but that just isn't true. You simply choose not accept their answers. I know this because in the thread asking people why they like Sam I gave my answers.

I said:



I then later said:



I gave those answers because of this post by you:



You seemed to genuinely want to hear why people liked/supported Sam.

Now. You can disagree with that all you like, it doesn't change the fact that reasons were offered for liking Sam. To suggest that you keep on asking but people NEVER answer is an untruth. You may not like the answers, but that's really not the point is it?


One final point: Cynical Hermit offered, amongst several reasons, the fact that he was impressed with the way Sam had handled certain things within the house. Saying you impressed with how someone deals with some of the difficulties associated with a disability is not the same as saying you support them because of their disability, or that you support them out of sympathy for their disability. But: that gets picked up and twisted into 'sympathy vote Sam' and the rest of the reasoning gets ignored.

Dana, im sorry if I missed your answers, im constantly flitting between threads, or maybe I went offline, I assure you I didn't mean to ignore your replies.

But I stand by my opinions that Sam isn't being judged on the same playing field as so called abled bodied HM's..and someone on here on their sig says they want Sam to win because they "respect" him...that IMO is clearly because of his disability, again, I say that's an invalid reason to want someone to win and walk off with a life changing 100k.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Videostar, you have officially been Dana'd

Im now very sheepish.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Dana, im sorry if I missed your answers, im constantly flitting between threads, or maybe I went offline, I assure you I didn't mean to ignore your replies.

But I stand by my opinions that Sam isn't being judged on the same playing field as so called abled bodied HM's..and someone on here on their sig says they want Sam to win because they "respect" him...that IMO is clearly because of his disability, again, I say that's an invalid reason to want someone to win and walk off with a life changing 100k.

For about the hundredth time, respect for how he is doing it. Just because you disagree with it, it does not make it 'invalid'. I've given reasons over and over and over. You choose to ignore them or call them invalid. They're my reasons, they have nothing to do with sympathy, they are the reasons people up and down the country will vote for him, and they are the reasons he will win.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Im now very sheepish.

Don't worry videostar its alright, now come over to the light and join the Sam side.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Don't worry videostar its alright, now come over to the light and join the Sam side.

Im not that sheepish.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

For about the hundredth time, respect for how he is doing it. Just because you disagree with it, it does not make it 'invalid'. I've given reasons over and over and over. You choose to ignore them or call them invalid. They're my reasons, they have nothing to do with sympathy, they are the reasons people up and down the country will vote for him, and they are the reasons he will win.

I respect that that is your reasons, I just disagree with them.

I just wish entertainment came into this a little bit more.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Im not that sheepish.

Worth a try.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Worth a try.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Videostar

I respect that that is your reasons, I just disagree with them.

I just wish entertainment came into this a little bit more.

We have a breakthrough!

[Videostar]

At least Sam will be able to buy himself a nice king size comfy bed if he wins.

[DanaC]

W00t! I've become a verb!

*grins*

@ Videostar: that's fair enough m'dear. No harm no foul

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by smeagol

i dont hate him at all , but without doubt he and sophie are two of the most boring housemates to ever appear on big brother and have no right at all to win or make the final.
i cannot stand sympathy votes i said it launch night he will win , i said the same with luke a and the torrents guy though he was fun so a good winner. but sam has done nothing

what i do hate is bandwagon jumpers and the sympathy vote i think its insulting really
people should be judged on their actions and personality not anything else.

all this liking someone cause their fav likes them or liking them cause he is brave cause he is half deaf etc. that really annoys me. and its wrong
as i said before the real brave people are the ones doing the 9-5 with disabilities not the ones chasing fame and fortune on television shows. all in the name of a good cause.
big brother is a reality entertainment show not a charity

I agree with this 100% The lads done nowt and needs to go.