[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Speedster

I actually didn't see it like that; at worst her eviction was a damp squib-she lasted longer than Hazel,she didn't get as badly booed, and the booing stopped once she'd left the house, whereas virtually everytime Hazel was even mentioned or show on the big screen some idiots were abusive.

She wasn't criticized for the way she treated her either so I really think she got off really lightly-she probably spent some of last night at the party they all went to rubbing Hazel's nose in the fact that she made it to the final whereas Hazel didn't.

BB should've allowed Hazel to even the score in some tasks where she got power over Gina or just throw the vile woman out of the house.

Agreed - I am genuinely shocked by what some people 'see' when they watch the show.

Gina was clearly given preferrential treatment in the house - but at the end of the day, it was her own jealous, bitchy behaviour and delusions of grandeur that lost her the show.

[south12345]

Originally Posted by karezza

The Big Brother producers deliberately destroyed Gina - they didn't want her to win. They deliberately stirred up animosity between Gina and Hazel to reduce Gina's popularity.

Gina destroyed herself. She could have kept her mouth firmly shut as regards Hazel and not risen to the bait. Unfortunately Gina is used to getting her own way and this trait showed to the max with her outbursts and simple hatred of Hazel. It didnt need the producers to bring about what happened between Gina and Hazel. Hazel was gunning for her the minute that she knew she was heading out the door after hearing all the booing...Hazel gave Gina the ammunition to shoot herself in the foot and to show her true colours.
I liked Gina through most of the show and at one point wanted her to win, but she let herself down regardless of what the producers did to exacerbate a situation.She had a choice, play the game or back off....she made the wrong choice.

You could also say the same about Callum and Dexter...Sam and Sophie. They pitted rivals against each other. The thing is Sam was the only one not to rise to the bait enough so that it would interfere with his chances of winning the show.

[south12345]

"Only a Muppet or seriously mentally retarded person could want a characterless, personality less , dull, boring, know nothing. incoherent, non- entity to WIN a programme like Big Brother....!!!!"

A quote i found..hence why i entitled this thread Sour grapes...

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Big brother you are an absolute disgrace to crown the winner of this show with someone who has the personality of a wooden post, above all the characters in that house...

Fcuking unbelievable , a total farce of a show from start to finish...

Load of utter Balls .... My apologies to all the real viewers of this show..

Clearly the guy with the disability was picked to win months ago...

Shame on you BB .... Credibility now gone.....!!!!

This. Channel 5 PR stunt , support a minority group,even if they are invisible and a fool.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by south12345

"Only a Muppet or seriously mentally retarded person could want a characterless, personality less , dull, boring, know nothing. incoherent, non- entity to WIN a programme like Big Brother....!!!!"

A quote i found..hence why i entitled this thread Sour grapes...

Lol,That's just pure bitterness.Someone been sucking a lemon before they posted that one.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by anne666

This. Channel 5 PR stunt , support a minority group,even if they are invisible and a fool.

You've been hanging around with that dolphin too much

[CaudleHalbard]

It is far from sour grapes, so far as I am concerned.

I didn't really mind who won - even Charlie or the Twins. So long as it wasn't Sam because I felt such an unworthy winner spelled doom for the future of BB.

It's an open invitation to contestants to do nothing...... so long as they can get the sympathy vote because of some physical problem.

BB15, assuming they bother to have it, could be unwatchable.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by south12345

"Only a Muppet or seriously mentally retarded person could want a characterless, personality less , dull, boring, know nothing. incoherent, non- entity to WIN a programme like Big Brother....!!!!"

A quote i found..hence why i entitled this thread Sour grapes...

Then clearly that must apply to more people than share your opinion. Where exactly was Gina's 'character' - she simply acted like a jealous, spoilt bitch. She spent 99% of her time between bitching on the prettier girls and looking in the mirror and trying to make herself look as good as those she hated.

She is a typical example of the stereotype 'Barbie doll', whose tiny little mind thinks of nothing other than her looks and those of the other girls around her. She couldn't even do that with any class. That is certainly not my idea of 'character'.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

You've been hanging around with that dolphin too much

NO!! he won't give me a joint

[anne666]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It is far from sour grapes, so far as I am concerned.

I didn't really mind who won - even Charlie or the Twins. So long as it wasn't Sam because I felt such an unworthy winner spelled doom for the future of BB.

It's an open invitation to contestants to do nothing...... so long as they can get the sympathy vote because of some physical problem.

BB15, assuming they bother to have it, could be unwatchable.

This

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It is far from sour grapes, so far as I am concerned.

I didn't really mind who won - even Charlie or the Twins. So long as it wasn't Sam because I felt such an unworthy winner spelled doom for the future of BB.

It's an open invitation to contestants to do nothing...... so long as they can get the sympathy vote because of some physical problem.

BB15, assuming they bother to have it, could be unwatchable.

No worse than the open invitation we now have to either go for the showmance option or manipulative bitching. It is human nature to like a bit of bitching - but not when it is completely contrived to feed ones own jealousy and so repetitive. The girl was so green with jealousy it made for unpleasant viewing.

Sleeping and paint drying would be more 'interesting' than those options in my book.

[DanaC]

Sam didn't win because he's deaf. He didn't win because it's fixed. he won, imo, because a large percentage of the viewers want to see old style BB: a social experiment in which ordinary people are placed in an extraordinary situation.

Much as I loved Dex and Gina (and i really did) they were manufactured personalities. If anything, the production team was pushing them for the win (who got the air time?).

The 'real' people in there were Sam, Callum, Sophie, the twins, Dan and at a push Wolfy.

Charlie was raised by a showbiz mum, Dex is a self-created mystery, Gina is a fabrication of someone who wants to be famous, Sallie and Hazel both models, and Jemima self confessed gold digger/cougar. All six of these housemates had been in the papers or the entertainment industry before they ever went near the BB process.

This was the first series in a long time that I have watched from start to finish. Mainly because for the first time in a long time there seemed to be people in there who fitted the original criteria.

As much as I enjoy watching 'characters' (and I do!) I'm more interested in seeing how ordinary people cope in the BB house. We have Celebrity Big Brother to see how z-listers and others familiar with the entertainment world cope with the privations of the house. The regular show needs more of the ordinary to distinguish it.

People keep saying that a) Sam did nothing - yet most of the housemates seemed to think he was fun. So he lay in bed for half the morning: that still leaves a bunch of hours of everyday doing and saying things which we didn't see. The production team was more interested in showing the big characters. So all we can really say about Sam's apparent dullness, is that we weren't shown very much of him. And they say that b) his aggressive sexism wasn't shown...yet he displayed nowhere near the misogyny that the people's prince, Dexter displayed. 'Show us your gash for free pie and mash' is coarse, but it's wordplay, which is what most of his jokes consist of. He's clearly fascinated by wordplay humour. I found that far less sexist than Dexter's VT in which he objectified women in the most unpleasant terms. Real or fake, that he thought that was an acceptable image to strive for is very telling. Likewise, Sam's attempts to flirt and his cheesy chat up lines to women in the house were far less sexist than Dexter and his comments about female housemates being 'good wife material' because they were 'domesticated' and his claims to have taught men to pick up women through the technique of 'negging'. That shows real sexism and misogyny, rather than a bit of laddish fun and flirting. The way Sam interacted with the other housemates was interesting on that score: he interacted with the girls and the lads in more or less the same way. Aside from flirting, he treated both the same. He argued the same regardless of the gender of the person he was arguing with, showing no sense of 'special treatment' of women. The way he approached Dex and the way he approached Soph was identical. That is telling to me. That speaks of someone who doesn't actually view the opposite sex as fundamentally different.

The attitudes of some of the fans on here has appalled me, it really has. The idea that because someone they personally didn't find entertaining won the show thismeans it was a fix, or that 'real viewers' can't possibly have voted for Sam is deeply insulting. As is the notion that he won because of 'sympathy votes'. It disparages those who watch and vote, just as it disparages anybody with a disability.

Those who say it's wrong that someone can fly under the radar for weeks and then come into the picture in the final weeks and win...well, either the quieter personalities don't get a look in when the big personalities are dominating, or the quieter people have played a game. It's a game show. And if that game won, then well done that game player.

Personally, I've always found the latter weeks of BB the most entertaining precisely because that's when the quieter, less egotistical and less showbiz characters tend to come to the fore. They get drowned out by the hyped up arguments, bitching and fabricated stories during the early weeks. I don't watch to see a circus show, I watch to see a social experiment. I find that more entertaining. The latter weeks are where you get to see who people really are, big personalities and quieter types included. The bigger personalities have usually settled down and dropped the act, and the quieter types have usually come into their own. That is entertaining.

I'm glad Sam won. I'd also have been just as glad to see Dex or Gina win. Not because of their antics at the start (however entertaining they were) but because we got to see more of who they were and they were more interesting to me because of it.

People need to get a ****ing grip and stop with the blanket insults to fans of any housemate. They also need to accept that Sam was the winner, because that's who people voted to save on the night.

[billy123]

At least it turned out nice again.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

No worse than the open invitation we now have to either go for the showmance option or manipulative bitching. It is human nature to like a bit of bitching - but not when it is completely contrived to feed ones own jealousy and so repetitive. The girl was so green with jealousy it made for unpleasant viewing.

Sleeping and paint drying would be more 'interesting' than those options in my book.

I just give up now, this really is the future of BB.

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by south12345

Nicety triumphs over nastiness.....well done Sam

Big Brother is a game show where all contestants should have a fair and equal chance of winning. The highlights show is the real barometer of how an housemate is being depicted in that show.

That means we should see every aspect of the housemates.

In the case of Dexter was saw warts and all. We saw the bad aspects such as the way he talked to women. But we also saw the other side which his fans liked especially the way handled himself with dignity when a lot of the housemates ganged up on him.

We never saw this with Sam from the production team. We never saw Sam's constant impersonation of Jay from The Inbetweeners (i.e a flash of your gash for a free pie and mash). We never saw how Sam, along with the Twins and Charlie, ganged up on Dexter last Friday night. We never saw in last H/L how he rudely interrupted Dexter, who was having a private conversation at the time, and started aggressively asking him questions about his g/f, Charlotte.

Sam was protected by the production team. It has been obvious from Day 1 that the Production Team were manipulating the viewers for a Sam win otherwise why have put his name, and his name only, forward for a National Television Award.

In the end, if the production keep manipulating the viewers the way they did this year they will lose the hardcore fans who inhabit forums such as this one. It has been the hardcore fans that have probably kept the show afloat while viewing figures have gone down!

[DanaC]

Ahhh.....so no hardcore fans voted for Sam then? Or is it that by voting for Sam someone loses their 'hardcore fan' badge? Is one only a hardcore fan by inhabiting forums such as these? or can one be a hardcore fan without coming on forums, but just by watching every series and episode?

Jesus H. Christ, this is as bad as the Doctor Who fans.


I'm not a hardcore fan of BB, btw. I just enjoy the show. As key as the hardcore fans might be to the show, they alone will not keep it on the air. It's the mainstream audience who do that.

I am a hardcore fan of Doctor Who....and my fellow Hardcore fans have at times damn near killed that beast. Same with Stargate.

The show is not the property of the hardcore fans. As soon as people start to think it is they make unreasonable demands of it.

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by south12345

Gina destroyed herself. She could have kept her mouth firmly shut as regards Hazel and not risen to the bait. Unfortunately Gina is used to getting her own way and this trait showed to the max with her outbursts and simple hatred of Hazel. It didnt need the producers to bring about what happened between Gina and Hazel. Hazel was gunning for her the minute that she knew she was heading out the door after hearing all the booing...Hazel gave Gina the ammunition to shoot herself in the foot and to show her true colours.
I liked Gina through most of the show and at one point wanted her to win, but she let herself down regardless of what the producers did to exacerbate a situation.She had a choice, play the game or back off....she made the wrong choice.

You could also say the same about Callum and Dexter...Sam and Sophie. They pitted rivals against each other. The thing is Sam was the only one not to rise to the bait enough so that it would interfere with his chances of winning the show.

But he did though didn't he! Just the production team decided to leave the evidence on the cutting room floor.

[south12345]

Originally Posted by KingPrawn

But he did though didn't he! Just the production team decided to leave the evidence on the cutting room floor.

Thats your assumption....i think it was clearly shown on the HL,s Sam,s dislike of Dexter and his altercations with Sophie..

[KingPrawn]

Originally Posted by south12345

Thats your assumption....i think it was clearly shown on the HL,s Sam,s dislike of Dexter and his altercations with Sophie..

Last Saturday's highlights show didn't show Sam, Charlie and the Twins ganging up on Dexter last Friday night though, did it?

[EzzaB]

I would have minded Dexter or Gina even losing to a brick than losing to Sam. Hence why I was pissed.

Bore wins over HM's who made the show. *sigh*

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Sam didn't win because he's deaf. He didn't win because it's fixed. he won, imo, because a large percentage of the viewers want to see old style BB: a social experiment in which ordinary people are placed in an extraordinary situation.

Much as I loved Dex and Gina (and i really did) they were manufactured personalities. If anything, the production team was pushing them for the win (who got the air time?).

The 'real' people in there were Sam, Callum, Sophie, the twins, Dan and at a push Wolfy.

Charlie was raised by a showbiz mum, Dex is a self-created mystery, Gina is a fabrication of someone who wants to be famous, Sallie and Hazel both models, and Jemima self confessed gold digger/cougar. All six of these housemates had been in the papers or the entertainment industry before they ever went near the BB process.

This was the first series in a long time that I have watched from start to finish. Mainly because for the first time in a long time there seemed to be people in there who fitted the original criteria.

As much as I enjoy watching 'characters' (and I do!) I'm more interested in seeing how ordinary people cope in the BB house. We have Celebrity Big Brother to see how z-listers and others familiar with the entertainment world cope with the privations of the house. The regular show needs more of the ordinary to distinguish it.

People keep saying that a) Sam did nothing - yet most of the housemates seemed to think he was fun. So he lay in bed for half the morning: that still leaves a bunch of hours of everyday doing and saying things which we didn't see. The production team was more interested in showing the big characters. So all we can really say about Sam's apparent dullness, is that we weren't shown very much of him. And they say that b) his aggressive sexism wasn't shown...yet he displayed nowhere near the misogyny that the people's prince, Dexter displayed. 'Show us your gash for free pie and mash' is coarse, but it's wordplay, which is what most of his jokes consist of. He's clearly fascinated by wordplay humour. I found that far less sexist than Dexter's VT in which he objectified women in the most unpleasant terms. Real or fake, that he thought that was an acceptable image to strive for is very telling. Likewise, Sam's attempts to flirt and his cheesy chat up lines to women in the house were far less sexist than Dexter and his comments about female housemates being 'good wife material' because they were 'domesticated' and his claims to have taught men to pick up women through the technique of 'negging'. That shows real sexism and misogyny, rather than a bit of laddish fun and flirting. The way Sam interacted with the other housemates was interesting on that score: he interacted with the girls and the lads in more or less the same way. Aside from flirting, he treated both the same. He argued the same regardless of the gender of the person he was arguing with, showing no sense of 'special treatment' of women. The way he approached Dex and the way he approached Soph was identical. That is telling to me. That speaks of someone who doesn't actually view the opposite sex as fundamentally different.

The attitudes of some of the fans on here has appalled me, it really has. The idea that because someone they personally didn't find entertaining won the show thismeans it was a fix, or that 'real viewers' can't possibly have voted for Sam is deeply insulting. As is the notion that he won because of 'sympathy votes'. It disparages those who watch and vote, just as it disparages anybody with a disability.

Those who say it's wrong that someone can fly under the radar for weeks and then come into the picture in the final weeks and win...well, either the quieter personalities don't get a look in when the big personalities are dominating, or the quieter people have played a game. It's a game show. And if that game won, then well done that game player.

Personally, I've always found the latter weeks of BB the most entertaining precisely because that's when the quieter, less egotistical and less showbiz characters tend to come to the fore. They get drowned out by the hyped up arguments, bitching and fabricated stories during the early weeks. I don't watch to see a circus show, I watch to see a social experiment. I find that more entertaining. The latter weeks are where you get to see who people really are, big personalities and quieter types included. The bigger personalities have usually settled down and dropped the act, and the quieter types have usually come into their own. That is entertaining.

I'm glad Sam won. I'd also have been just as glad to see Dex or Gina win. Not because of their antics at the start (however entertaining they were) but because we got to see more of who they were and they were more interesting to me because of it.

People need to get a ****ing grip and stop with the blanket insults to fans of any housemate. They also need to accept that Sam was the winner, because that's who people voted to save on the night.

You did more there writing the above post than Sam the Sloth did in over 9 weeks..........!!!!!

[joeysteele]

I am over the moon Sam won and I was happy to vote for him to do so too.

I have to say DanaC, Yout first post above is absolutely brilliant, very well said and full respect to you for it too.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by KingPrawn

Big Brother is a game show where all contestants should have a fair and equal chance of winning. The highlights show is the real barometer of how an housemate is being depicted in that show.

That means we should see every aspect of the housemates.

In the case of Dexter was saw warts and all. We saw the bad aspects such as the way he talked to women. But we also saw the other side which his fans liked especially the way handled himself with dignity when a lot of the housemates ganged up on him.

We never saw this with Sam from the production team. We never saw Sam's constant impersonation of Jay from The Inbetweeners (i.e a flash of your gash for a free pie and mash). We never saw how Sam, along with the Twins and Charlie, ganged up on Dexter last Friday night. We never saw in last H/L how he rudely interrupted Dexter, who was having a private conversation at the time, and started aggressively asking him questions about his g/f, Charlotte.

Sam was protected by the production team. It has been obvious from Day 1 that the Production Team were manipulating the viewers for a Sam win otherwise why have put his name, and his name only, forward for a National Television Award.

In the end, if the production keep manipulating the viewers the way they did this year they will lose the hardcore fans who inhabit forums such as this one. It has been the hardcore fans that have probably kept the show afloat while viewing figures have gone down!

Great post! Agree 100%

The production team are still sweeping the cutting room floor as we speak, if they had decided to show the public the real Sam ( live feed) he would have been gone weeks ago.

[Kazanne]

Sam won,time to get over it,and what a great winner he is.

[south12345]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Sam didn't win because he's deaf. He didn't win because it's fixed. he won, imo, because a large percentage of the viewers want to see old style BB: a social experiment in which ordinary people are placed in an extraordinary situation.

Much as I loved Dex and Gina (and i really did) they were manufactured personalities. If anything, the production team was pushing them for the win (who got the air time?).

The 'real' people in there were Sam, Callum, Sophie, the twins, Dan and at a push Wolfy.

Charlie was raised by a showbiz mum, Dex is a self-created mystery, Gina is a fabrication of someone who wants to be famous, Sallie and Hazel both models, and Jemima self confessed gold digger/cougar. All six of these housemates had been in the papers or the entertainment industry before they ever went near the BB process.

This was the first series in a long time that I have watched from start to finish. Mainly because for the first time in a long time there seemed to be people in there who fitted the original criteria.

As much as I enjoy watching 'characters' (and I do!) I'm more interested in seeing how ordinary people cope in the BB house. We have Celebrity Big Brother to see how z-listers and others familiar with the entertainment world cope with the privations of the house. The regular show needs more of the ordinary to distinguish it.

People keep saying that a) Sam did nothing - yet most of the housemates seemed to think he was fun. So he lay in bed for half the morning: that still leaves a bunch of hours of everyday doing and saying things which we didn't see. The production team was more interested in showing the big characters. So all we can really say about Sam's apparent dullness, is that we weren't shown very much of him. And they say that b) his aggressive sexism wasn't shown...yet he displayed nowhere near the misogyny that the people's prince, Dexter displayed. 'Show us your gash for free pie and mash' is coarse, but it's wordplay, which is what most of his jokes consist of. He's clearly fascinated by wordplay humour. I found that far less sexist than Dexter's VT in which he objectified women in the most unpleasant terms. Real or fake, that he thought that was an acceptable image to strive for is very telling. Likewise, Sam's attempts to flirt and his cheesy chat up lines to women in the house were far less sexist than Dexter and his comments about female housemates being 'good wife material' because they were 'domesticated' and his claims to have taught men to pick up women through the technique of 'negging'. That shows real sexism and misogyny, rather than a bit of laddish fun and flirting. The way Sam interacted with the other housemates was interesting on that score: he interacted with the girls and the lads in more or less the same way. Aside from flirting, he treated both the same. He argued the same regardless of the gender of the person he was arguing with, showing no sense of 'special treatment' of women. The way he approached Dex and the way he approached Soph was identical. That is telling to me. That speaks of someone who doesn't actually view the opposite sex as fundamentally different.

The attitudes of some of the fans on here has appalled me, it really has. The idea that because someone they personally didn't find entertaining won the show thismeans it was a fix, or that 'real viewers' can't possibly have voted for Sam is deeply insulting. As is the notion that he won because of 'sympathy votes'. It disparages those who watch and vote, just as it disparages anybody with a disability.

Those who say it's wrong that someone can fly under the radar for weeks and then come into the picture in the final weeks and win...well, either the quieter personalities don't get a look in when the big personalities are dominating, or the quieter people have played a game. It's a game show. And if that game won, then well done that game player.

Personally, I've always found the latter weeks of BB the most entertaining precisely because that's when the quieter, less egotistical and less showbiz characters tend to come to the fore. They get drowned out by the hyped up arguments, bitching and fabricated stories during the early weeks. I don't watch to see a circus show, I watch to see a social experiment. I find that more entertaining. The latter weeks are where you get to see who people really are, big personalities and quieter types included. The bigger personalities have usually settled down and dropped the act, and the quieter types have usually come into their own. That is entertaining.

I'm glad Sam won. I'd also have been just as glad to see Dex or Gina win. Not because of their antics at the start (however entertaining they were) but because we got to see more of who they were and they were more interesting to me because of it.

People need to get a ****ing grip and stop with the blanket insults to fans of any housemate. They also need to accept that Sam was the winner, because that's who people voted to save on the night.

Very well put...