[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre saying a deaf person shouldn't mention being deaf in 12 weeks on a 24 hour a day tv show?

Well yeah, she should tell people about it otherwise you would never know...

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by the truth

what is this old school broad brush statement to label millions of older people? there are loads of differences between people regardless of age. I detest that overused old school cliché and all the negative connotations that go with it

I like Ron for not falling into the PC brigade way of speaking. Just because the PC brigade don't like it doesn't mean they are right. Infact most of the time the PC brigade are wrong.

[Lozzibear]

I think that happens all too often...

Whether it be due to a persons sexual orientation, colour of their skin, religion, country they come from... it isn't often someone can just dislike them because they are damn annoying. I have a friend who is of a certain religion, and well... she is an annoying person. She is loud, rude, abrasive... I am used to it because I have known her since I was 8 but it puts a lot of people off... but no, when people dislike her, it always has to be due to racism! No, it isn't, it is because she is a difficult person to be around. I would find Lauren hard to be around myself, she seems to be far too attention seeking for my liking... and a big baby to boot.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by karezza

Anyone who thinks Lauren is a disgusting, selfish, creepy, weird, unhygienic, annoying moaner will be accused of transphobia.

Only by idiots.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Well yeah, she should tell people about it otherwise you would never know...

she? sam was a man?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

what is this old school broad brush statement to label millions of older people? there are loads of differences between people regardless of age. I detest that overused old school cliché and all the negative connotations that go with it

I love your sense of irony.

[Johnnyuk123]

If we look at the bigger picture of things Lauren is actually more of an english rose than cheryl no talent rose tattooed cole.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Lozzibear

I think that happens all too often...

Whether it be due to a persons sexual orientation, colour of their skin, religion, country they come from... it isn't often someone can just dislike them because they are damn annoying. I have a friend who is of a certain religion, and well... she is an annoying person. She is loud, rude, abrasive... I am used to it because I have known her since I was 8 but it puts a lot of people off... but no, when people dislike her, it always has to be due to racism! No, it isn't, it is because she is a difficult person to be around. I would find Lauren hard to be around myself, she seems to be far too attention seeking for my liking... and a big baby to boot.

yes and we have idiot politicians who create laws to support this self pitying attention seeking agends for idiots looking for arguments. they pass these nonsensical values and laws onto judges, cops and lawyers , hence we end up in this basket case of a country...where serious things are ignored but 1 word taken the wrong way can lead to 100,000s worth of mindless litigation

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

If we look at the bigger picture of things Lauren is actually more of an english rose than cheryl no talent rose tattooed cole.

What in the living hell has Cheryl cole got to do with this?

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by the truth

she? sam was a man?

Lauren needs to tell people that she is a transsexual else we would never know.

[Johnnyuk123]

Tiny willy was my first thought, second thought was lance that bum boil.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I love your sense of irony.

maybe because youre old school

[Johnnyuk123]

Emma so wants to do him. lol

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

maybe because youre old school

Uh, ok then.

[Jack_]

People have to remember what Lauren will have experienced and gone through in her life, and the amount of rejection and discrimination that she will have had to endure because of who she is will unfortunately lead her to sometimes make the understandable assumption that people don't like her because she's transgender. It's alright for us to sit here and go 'well that's not a very fair accusation', but we're not the ones that have had to face a decade of such prejudice...it's understandable that if someone made her feel like they didn't like her she may put it down to that because that's the general reason that people have probably given her in the past.

Having said that, I would also say that if you're part of a minority that experiences discrimination in society, you would have a pretty good gauge of when people dislike you or are uncomfortable around you because you're part of that minority.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People have to remember what Lauren will have experienced and gone through in her life, and the amount of rejection and discrimination that she will have had to endure because of who she is will unfortunately lead her to sometimes make the understandable assumption that people don't like her because she's transgender. It's alright for us to sit here and go 'well that's not a very fair accusation', but we're not the ones that have had to face a decade of such prejudice...it's understandable that if someone made her feel like they didn't like her she may put it down to that because that's the general reason that people have probably given her in the past.

Having said that, I would also say that if you're part of a minority that experiences discrimination in society, you would have a pretty good gauge of when people dislike you or are uncomfortable around you because you're part of that minority.

Transgender or not Lauren will be bullied for being odd.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Uh, ok then.

glad you admit it

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Transgender or not Lauren will be bullied for being odd.

Being bullied can also make people 'odd' though, I've seen it happen. Which actually turns it into a vicious circle.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People have to remember what Lauren will have experienced and gone through in her life, and the amount of rejection and discrimination that she will have had to endure because of who she is will unfortunately lead her to sometimes make the understandable assumption that people don't like her because she's transgender. It's alright for us to sit here and go 'well that's not a very fair accusation', but we're not the ones that have had to face a decade of such prejudice...it's understandable that if someone made her feel like they didn't like her she may put it down to that because that's the general reason that people have probably given her in the past.

Having said that, I would also say that if you're part of a minority that experiences discrimination in society, you would have a pretty good gauge of when people dislike you or are uncomfortable around you because you're part of that minority.

Most people are perfectly aware of what she has been through Jack, but it's wrong to automatically assume that because someone dislikes her they are transphobic and to accuse them of it on tv is unfair imo.

I'm not sure about Rons reasons for wanting to nominate her, no one but him knows what they truly are but I find it a bit odd that Lauren never mentioned anything at all like that about him until he mentioned putting her up for eviction.


Most of the housemates are moaning about Lauren on LF atm that probably means she's not the easiest person to live with.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Being bullied can also make people 'odd' though, I've seen it happen. Which actually turns it into a vicious circle.

Well, yes that's true.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

Most people are perfectly aware of what she has been through Jack, but it's wrong to automatically assume that because someone dislikes her they are transphobic and to accuse them of it on tv is unfair imo.

I'm not sure about Rons reasons for wanting to nominate her, no one but him knows what they truly are but I find it a bit odd that Lauren never mentioned anything at all like that about him until he mentioned putting her up for eviction.


Most of the housemates are moaning about Lauren on LF atm that probably means she's not the easiest person to live with.

its totally wrong. but he can be labelled a bigot for no reason but I cant suggest on here that the types of people who support charlotte may be workless chavs? radical liberalism creates a society where only certain groups of people can be criticized.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

Most people are perfectly aware of what she has been through Jack, but it's wrong to automatically assume that because someone dislikes her they are transphobic and to accuse them of it on tv is unfair imo.

I'm not sure about Rons reasons for wanting to nominate her, no one but him knows what they truly are but I find it a bit odd that Lauren never mentioned anything at all like that about him until he mentioned putting her up for eviction.


Most of the housemates are moaning about Lauren on LF atm that probably means she's not the easiest person to live with.

Well if they were perfectly aware they'd understand that as I said from Lauren's perspective having endured years of people judging her and taking a dislike to her because she is transgender, that it's a natural assumption for her to make that if somebody new dislikes her it's because they disagree with who she is. Almost as if that kind of mentality is conditioned to her because that's what she has experienced for so long. Like, people need to understand that. Yes it might be unfair but after what she's been through I think it's understandable and that she can't really help but feel like that since that's all she knows.

I'm not going to sit here and say I don't question Ron's mentality because there's alarm bells going off constantly for me, but I don't disagree she would be difficult to live with, I'm just saying people need to understand that from her perspective it would be natural to assume that someone would dislike her because she's transgender...if that's basically the reason she's been given half of her life what else would she know?

[MeMyselfAndI]

The way she said it, it looked like she only wanted to say 'I don't think Ron is comfortable with my presence' and then Big Brother must have asked her to elaborate on this point, and then she said 'he may be transphobic'. It looked edited too me anyway

[MeMyselfAndI]

Rons proven to stereotype people and to act biggotted, so It's not exactly shocking that she may think hes transphobic tbh

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well if they were perfectly aware they'd understand that as I said from Lauren's perspective having endured years of people judging her and taking a dislike to her because she is transgender, that it's a natural assumption for her to make that if somebody new dislikes her it's because they disagree with who she is. Almost as if that kind of mentality is conditioned to her because that's what she has experienced for so long. Like, people need to understand that. Yes it might be unfair but after what she's been through I think it's understandable and that she can't really help but feel like that since that's all she knows.

I'm not going to sit here and say I don't question Ron's mentality because there's alarm bells going off constantly for me, but I don't disagree she would be difficult to live with, I'm just saying people need to understand that from her perspective it would be natural to assume that someone would dislike her because she's transgender...if that's basically the reason she's been given half of her life what else would she know?

Its not a natural assumption to jump to at all. Espcially as she gave no real back up reasons for this pretty heinous accusation. I think she mentioned his age as a reason why she figured hed be bigoted against her. which ironically is a little bigotted too. I respect the fact shes been through hell and highwater to have a sex change. I also respect the fact she has probably been bullied like hell. But its wrong to jump to conclusions like that and she should be told that. for her own sake and for rons sake. it will be interesting to see how this develops if there is no more to this story than meets the eye....lets see if ron does have an issue, bbut lets see too if lauren has issues with older people