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Old 26-09-2013, 09:37 AM #26
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[Labour leader Ed Miliband was left
looking fuelish
yesterday as his vow to freeze
energy bills blew up in his face.
The pledge — if he ever makes
it to No10 — saw almost £2Billion
wiped off the value of gas and electricity shares,
hitting pension fund investments.
And just hours after electrifying his
party conference with what was seen
a sure-fire vote-winner, “Red” Ed
was even forced to reveal families
could face Higher Bills thanks to him.
He conceded there was a threat that energy
giants facing a £4.5billion squeeze under his
freeze could get together to hike prices
in advance just in case Labour wins power in 2015.]
by Kevin Schofield , Chief Political Correspondent, and Simon English, City Editor
sun politics online +


The Sun is watching the mess.

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It's less 'news' and more 'propaganda' really, the facts are whilst wholesale costs have fallen costs for consumers are still rising,
The profits are through the roof now, there has to be some ethical redress I think.
Once again tory rags are screaming about how unfair it is for the poor fatcats...And some dumb clucks will swallow this, it's unbelievable, are people truly so feeble minded they can be swayed into accepting this as an inevitability?
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It's less 'news' and more 'propaganda' really, the facts are whilst wholesale costs have fallen costs for consumers are still rising,
The profits are through the roof now, there has to be some ethical redress I think.
Once again tory rags are screaming about how unfair it is for the poor fatcats...And some dumb clucks will swallow this, it's unbelievable, are people truly so feeble minded they can be swayed into accepting this as an inevitability?


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The Sun is watching the mess,TheSun wants to sort its own rotten and biased mess out before it looks at anyone or anything else.
Hardly any recommendation.

To the charge that energy firms could hike prices in 2014 before this could take effect in 2015, well what will the present Govt do to stop that happening.
It is in power, it should be making sure that cannot be the case. It is 'supposed' to be concerned at the rising costs of energy bills for customers too.
How could it allow a great inflation busting hike in prices from the energy companies and do nothing about that.

This could actually be a really good test as to where this Govt's thoughts really lie with energy bills and any inaction from this Coalition Govt would speak volumes as to them, not Ed Miliband and Labour.
He is not yet the PM and Labour is not yet the Govt.

So I ask, what would this present Govt. do if the energy firms tried to do a massive further hike in bills before the next election, that is even bigger than what they are already doing anyway.
This Govt should now, ensure that cannot happen and be as firm with the energy giants as Miliband has set out to be at the very least.

So will this Coalition Govt. stand up for the 'customers' or the 'energy giants', now there is something that the Sun and all other media should really be looking at and watching.

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I think we already know the answer to that one
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I think we already know the answer to that one
Well one thing is for sure, Ed Miliband has stirred up the greedy energy companies and also maybe inadvertently put the present Govt on the spot with this policy too.

Just 20 months before an election, this Govt now has the chance to show first why the regulator they have in place couldn't stop a huge hike in advance of this policy but also exactly where they as a Govt. stand too, on the side of the customers or supporting the energy giants.

This is not now Labour's dilemma in the run up to the election, it is in fact David Camerons since the tables have now been turned on him for the next 20 months as to this.
Also if the energy giants tried to hike prices massively in advance, it will be an equally good test to watch how the Lib Dems respond to that too.

I am beginning to think this may be a work of genius from Ed Miliband to announce this policy now,all he has to do is watch it play out.
He is not responsible for price hikes before the 2015 election and the Govt. cannot risk more inflation busting rises either before then or even allow them to take place,so should act strongly and swiftly if such hikes are threatened and tried by the big energy companies..

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It's already been announced there's one in the pipeline( I crack myself up) of 8%, for budgets already squeezed how is that going to play out?
If we also take into account the implications of further hikes over the next 2yrs how will that impact on public spending and the economy?....
Nobody is looking at the bigger picture in real terms and just trying to cause panic to justify the current practices.
Stating this will have an effect on pensions, if nothing is done pensions with be worth less due to the conundrum of whether you can afford to heat or eat on your fixed income.
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Kizzy and Joey
so you both want Massive power cuts.

That what is in our future
I am shocked that you get tricked so easy.
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Oh dear, this is not good. People saying 'invest in renewable hehe x', I don't think they realise firsly howmany years it takes to invest in that & renewable energy has so many variables and definitely wouldn't be enough.
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I honestly do not believe we will have powercuts through them not raising the price for a while.
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We will Vicky
we do not enough Nuclear Power Stations
They need to be built fast.
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They need to be built fast.
Why havent any been built in the past few years then? Afterall, bills have been going up, which is apparently what they need to build them
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Why havent any been built in the past few years then? Afterall, bills have been going up, which is apparently what they need to build them

Due to EDF delays


The fecking New Labour should have started the buildings
in their long 13 years


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Yup. As usual, the worlds problems are all labours fault. Surprised the BBC didnt get the blame somewhere along the line too. Keep fighting the good fight arista
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I honestly do not believe we will have powercuts through them not raising the price for a while.
We hear all the time of bad Unions attempting to and threatening to hold the Country to ransom with threats of this and that, here we have the energy giants doing so and they are near hailed for it.

There should be no need whatsoever for any power cuts and I believe there won't be becasue these greedy energy companies will have to work with a Labour Govt. if they win in 2015 and long after this price rise freeze too.

What the energy companies should in fact be doing, is making provision from the vast profits they have had over the last 2 decades at least and also the profits they will make in the 20 months up to the next election to prepare for this short interruption to even more profits from their customers.

They can surely be more selective as to how they 'waste' those profits up to that time.
The other thing is, Ed Miliband is using that 20 months of a price rise freeze to look at the whole energy situation thoroughly and also setting up a new regulator which will have real teeth to deal with them.
Nothing bad then about this policy at all except for the already ugly threats of the big energy companies screaming because their vast profits are going to be limited for 20 months and now they think they can hold the Country to ransom.

Absolutely ridiculous and they should be made to toe the line or clear off and let others take over.
This Govt. has failed miserably to deal with them and allowed far too much freedom as to price hikes, it is time they took action against these companies too.

No need at all for any blackouts whatsoever and with 20 months to plan ahead for this policy, it would be a sign of sheer and total incompetence for the energy companies to not be able to plan ahead too with so much time.
Scaremongering,pathetic greed and also ugly threats just about sums up these energy companies.

It is time they were really brought into line and made to serve the Country they are responsible for the energy for and not just keep looking to lining their own pockets year after year,decade after decade.

If they won't do that then they should be made to.
I again applaud Ed Miliband for at least making a start to stand up to them.
I am equally though stunned at this Govt. in power now, even allowing the energy companies to do this scaremongering and also to make the ugly threats they are as to power cuts.

Where is Cameron in standing up for energy consumers, where are the Lib Dems too, time they were brought to account too for allowing so much as to price hikes over the 3+ years they have had power.

Labour failed to grasp this too when in Govt.
However it seems Ed Milband has learned that lesson and he is someone at last who is setting out to do a lot more for the consumers rather than the greedy big 6 companies.
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The fecking New Labour should have started the buildings
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Nothing much has been achieved by this Govt either arista.

I suspect arista if this was the Unions threatening power cuts you would likely want them hung drawn and quartered.
Because it is big business why should they get away with threatening to hold the Country and their customers to ransom for the sake of only 20 months of a price freeze.

A halt to energy increases in price is way long overdue and this is an issue that needed sorting a good while ago.
Even during the Consrervatives 18 years in power too and especially at the time of them privatising Gas and Electricity,they should have made sure at that sell off that certain safeguards were well and truly in place as to the conduct of those responsible for supplying energy to the UK.

Labour did not do brilliantly on energy in their 13 years but this present Govt. has done nothing at all in their time in power,just allowing rise after rise to take place.
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I am not so sure now that actually looking and going back is a bad thing to be doing on some issues.

It seems to me the more I read as to how some things were done decades ago, we seemed to have the answers, now all we seem to get left with are questions.
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