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Originally Posted by BBfanUSA

Yeah but that means nothing if the minimum wage hasn't been raised at all. You can barely survive on 7.25 an hour.

Nothing has really improved under Obama mainly because of congress not cooperating with each other,

All Obamacare is doing is making people buy healthcare, which violates free will.

This thread is kinda pointless tbh, because everyone's going to be biased.

with that attitude everything is pointless?

it doesn't violate free will....You don't HAVE to buy healthcare, but if you don't youre buggered just as before....obamacare makes it affordable for the poorest 50 mlllion who never had healthcare before

the first rung is bound to be more expensive but it should fall in price over time as the enrolment numbers grow and competition keeps down prices to competitive levels...everyone could end up with the same insurers as before...the price for the rich is tiny, the cost for the working classes and small businesses is what he needs to keep an eye on, they may struggle for a few years

that being said the enormity of this challenge is mind boggling, its the biggest government project in US history....the goal though is noble and the ideal is superb. lets just hope it doesn't end up like the nhs these days with cover ups, death panels, unaccountable nurses and phenomenal middle management waste

as for mimimum wages....yes Id support it....though it needs to have some get out clauses because some jobs are not wage based theyre commission based....i.e. sales people.....if they sell 5 Ferraris they go home rich...if they sell none that how have they earned their money?

as for your rather glib line about nothing has improved under Obama? what utter nonsense

house prices are up 13.3% in a year
stock market more than doubled in value in 5 years
unemployment down from 10.5 to 7%
trillion dollar infrastructure improvements on roads, railways, transport system
the us car manufacturers back to world number 1
got Bin Laden, got ghadaffi, got 100s of other terrorist leaders
fined corrupt banks like JP morgan record $19 billion
re-structured re-regulated the banks, housing and financial markets
introduced obamacare to try insure the poorest 50 million
increased exports
tightened tariffs on chinsese imports
expanded stem cell research
allowed gay marriage
withdrew from Iraq and afghan soon
agreed to disarm Russian nuclear missiles by 40%
reduced military budget by a trillion
huge expansion in small business growth
raised taxes on rich
greater disposable income for middle americans
inspected 22 of 23 Syrian weapons sites...got Iranian nuclear deal
reduced guantamo bay by over a third
etc

that's taken me about 2 minutes to think of.....
massive achievements some, others are monumental works in progress
Im a right winger , but Obama is no socialist , hes pretty middle of the road overall... I think hes done what he said hed do...he hasn't thrown everything out, but hes gone through it with a scalpel....this is just the beginning