[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes it is indeed the same old stuff all the time, every series it's comments about American housemates or black ones etc etc, I'm not the only one that thinks like this either and in fact there's been a few in this thread that pointed this out before I did but single me out why don't you? Kinda sweet I guess.

Leader? That actually doesn't make any sense to me so I'd love you to elaborate there.

Maybe I don't ignore her cause I think racism and xenophobia is something that should be publicly condemned in order to draw attention to it and try to cut it back in the future? Just a thought. Maybe people should just turn a blind eye to discriminatory comments in future



Oh my balls have certainly dropped, I'll PM you a pic if you like love xx

Stick to criticising housemates for being American or stereotyping them for being black or reminiscing about the days when you could call them 'coloured people' or throwing around insults like 'slut' and '*****' to women you've never even met or making comments about housemates ethnicities? Need I go on? Leave my balls out of it, thanks

I single you out Jack as its you who pounces on Chuff as soon as she posts,even if she doesn't mention any of the things you go on about,you may not like it ,but you are not the the forum policeman if chuff says anything out of order I am sure the mods deal with it,so why do feel it your duty to belittle her all the time,there really is no need

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes it is indeed the same old stuff all the time, every series it's comments about American housemates or black ones etc etc, I'm not the only one that thinks like this either and in fact there's been a few in this thread that pointed this out before I did but single me out why don't you? Kinda sweet I guess.

Leader? That actually doesn't make any sense to me so I'd love you to elaborate there.

Maybe I don't ignore her cause I think racism and xenophobia is something that should be publicly condemned in order to draw attention to it and try to cut it back in the future? Just a thought. Maybe people should just turn a blind eye to discriminatory comments in future



Oh my balls have certainly dropped, I'll PM you a pic if you like love xx

Stick to criticising housemates for being American or stereotyping them for being black or reminiscing about the days when you could call them 'coloured people' or throwing around insults like 'slut' and '*****' to women you've never even met or making comments about housemates ethnicities? Need I go on? Leave my balls out of it, thanks

You really need to grow up and back off little boy ,go tell your buddies what you said .....go on hurry up they are sat waiting .............. BAAAAAA

[Benjamin]

Lets stick to the debate everyone or the thread will get locked.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MichaelSpears

oh yes, supporting peoples right to express homophobia does wonders to find bigotry

stop embarrassing yourself

youd love to electrocute evryone who doesnt agree and say exactly what you want them to say. but guess what? people have different opinions and different experiences and different education too....your solution is to punish and lock up anyone with different opinions. thats a road to utter madness. people have a right to an opinion and to allow some discussion helps people udnerstand each other and leads us to a far greater level of understanding and enlightenment

as for the context here which youve totally misinterpreted in a dishonest way. evander wasnt trying to hurt or be offensive at all. he just belives its unnatural to have anal sex. he also thinks it is a choice in some cases. hes entitled to his opinion if you disagree argue the point. but to ban him from discussing it is insane.

now shut your pie hole

[Amy Jade]

Im a bit confused, all I heard him say was that he found gay relationships wrong which i obviously disagree with but did he say gay people were handicapped?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I single you out Jack as its you who pounces on Chuff as soon as she posts,even if she doesn't mention any of the things you go on about,you may not like it ,but you are not the the forum policeman if chuff says anything out of order I am sure the mods deal with it,so why do feel it your duty to belittle her all the time,there really is no need

He knows no better Kaz, he knows I wont back down to him ,Ive got tins of paint in my shed older than him ,hes on his way to his "BIG BOYS"to report back now ,go on little fella on your way

[M X]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Im a bit confused, all I heard him say was that he found gay relationships wrong which i obviously disagree with but did he say gay people were handicapped?

he said that they should go and get help to be fixed in the same way that you would if you were born handicapped

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Im a bit confused, all I heard him say was that he found gay relationships wrong which i obviously disagree with but did he say gay people were handicapped?

He compared gays to disabled people and implied that just because you were born that way (which he too disagrees with) doesn't mean you can't get fixed.

[MeMyselfAndI]

He compared being gay too being handicapped

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

your post is a disgrace, shame on you

And Chuff's post to me wasn't? Please, spare me

As a matter of fact I actually agree that allowing people to converse like this and express their opinions is a way in which they are challenged and discrimination can be eradicated from society, that's why I'm actually happy they aired the discussion tonight because it's started this one on here and that's what Big Brother is all about. Actually there was a thread earlier about BB not being a social experiment anymore, well I'd argue that topics like this and the one regarding Jasmine's conduct last night somewhat prove it still is one to an extent

Evander is perfectly entitled to his opinion, but airing it on a national TV show in the UK was moronic, and Luisa even warned him not to continue with what he was about to say. If this was in a pub in the company of his friends, fine, but he's on a TV show and Channel 5 have to cover their backs. You can't talk like that on TV and not expect to be reprimanded. I'm glad they broadcasted the conversation because it's provoked a debate and will actually help to highlight the fact that opinions like this still exist and will mean they're challenged, but the reminder they gave him about potentially offending viewers (and that's all it was as far as I remember, not an official formal warning) was justified

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MichaelSpears

People pick and chose which 'personal views' are okay to express.

It's not okay to discriminate against black people based on your personal views, but it is okay to discriminate against gay people based on your personal views.

People just use the 'personal view' argument to cover up their own bigotry and ignorance.

mindless drivel. youre comparing apples with oranges. totally different subjects. yet you destroy evander when he brings disability and homosexuality into the same conversation. youre a total hypocrite

now shut your pie hole

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He knows no better Kaz, he knows I wont back down to him ,Ive got tins of paint in my shed older than him ,hes on his way to his "BIG BOYS"to report back now ,go on little fella on your way

I hope this isn't about me, the last time I spoke with Jack was saying how we might have a series where we agree which would be nice after all the times we've disagreed and argued over housemates in the past, because you said you liked Ollie

[Me. I Am Salman]

can you please say something else apart from shut your pie hole it's annoying as fk

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Im a bit confused, all I heard him say was that he found gay relationships wrong which i obviously disagree with but did he say gay people were handicapped?

No he didnt ,hes very religious and 100% right when he said "In the Bible its classed as wrong " this is true ,Luissa asked him a question ,he answered ,What wrong in that baffles me

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

okay so I suppose we all should support terrorist attacks since it's just the terrorist carrying out his opinion.

Pure nonsense!!!! Expressing an opinion is all part of freedom of speech. Attacking and killing people,or even verbally abusing people is not!?!

[Amy Jade]

ohhh damn, well I understand people being annoyed now. I thought he literally said something much less offensive but that's messed up trying to cure peoples sexuality

If anyone needs curing it's him and his narrow mind.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

This is true, I too have called chuff out on her xenophobia in the past.

But I don't think I have ever seen you seek out her posts and try and belittle her,but maybe I missed something,its ok to say you disagree but some of the things levelled at chuff have been uncalled for imo of course.

[thesheriff443]

in all honesty its extremely sad that a black American boxing champion can be so narrow minded, to the fact that gay people don't have a choice when it comes to sexuality in the same way a person does not get to choose the color of their skin.

[M X]

Originally Posted by the truth

mindless drivel. youre comparing apples with oranges. totally different subjects. yet you destroy evander when he brings disability and homosexuality into the same conversation. youre a total hypocrite

now shut your pie hole

they aren't different subjects. race and sexuality are both things that people are both with. so how exactly are they so different?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And Chuff's post to me wasn't? Please, spare me

As a matter of fact I actually agree that allowing people to converse like this and express their opinions is a way in which they are challenged and discrimination can be eradicated from society, that's why I'm actually happy they aired the discussion tonight because it's started this one on here and that's what Big Brother is all about. Actually there was a thread earlier about BB not being a social experiment anymore, well I'd argue that topics like this and the one regarding Jasmine's conduct last night somewhat prove it still is one to an extent

Evander is perfectly entitled to his opinion, but airing it on a national TV show in the UK was moronic, and Luisa even warned him not to continue with what he was about to say. If this was in a pub in the company of his friends, fine, but he's on a TV show and Channel 5 have to cover their backs. You can't talk like that on TV and not expect to be reprimanded. I'm glad they broadcasted the conversation because it's provoked a debate and will actually help to highlight the fact that opinions like this still exist and will mean they're challenged, but the reminder they gave him about potentially offending viewers (and that's all it was as far as I remember, not an official formal warning) was justified

if BB were that worried too they could have edited it out anyway
they show all sorts of filth, swearing , finger banging , opinions on all sorts. thats evanders opinion deal with it. hes now in effect been banned from discussing the subject which is plain wrong.

[Josy]

Stick to discussing cbb/the topic of the thread instead of discussing and insulting other members, the thread was a good debate until that started.

[joeysteele]

Well I was not happy wth what he said or the way he portrayed his view. I found the response from him unacceptable on the issue.

I said earlier the BB house is not a private house where people have private conversations, he said on public TV he thought being gay was wrong and went on to compare it with being handicapped thereby indicating those who are gay could do something about it to maybe 'cure' it.

It is opinions like that reinforce the old discriminatory views and attitudes towards gay communities
That is where he was wrong and way out of order, he is entitled to his view, even if it is totally wrong, but keep that view to himself and not spout out his rubbish on a National TV programme.

When asked the question by Luisa, (knowing his own views on the subject), he is a man of some age he should have said that is not a discussion I want to have and would prefer not to answer, that was the simple way out.
He was not however, having a private conversation with Luisa because there is no such thing as private conversations in the BB house whatsoever.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MichaelSpears

they aren't different subjects. race and sexuality are both things that people are both with. so how exactly are they so different?

if you cant work out they are different subjects there is no hope for you, utterly brainless

now shut your pie hole

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

I hope this isn't about me, the last time I spoke with Jack was saying how we might have a series where we agree which would be nice after all the times we've disagreed and argued over housemates in the past, because you said you liked Ollie

Its not Lucas,I assure you,we all like Ollie

[Shaun]

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