[subliminal]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

He doesn't show hatred to homosexuality.

He didn't have to express hatred - he expressed enough through his homophobic views thanks. Oh and as a gay man I think this description of homophobia is about right...

'Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.'

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's a valid point, as to his life and the people he will have been around, that doesn't excuse ignorance though for me.

You know I love your posts Chuff and very often agree many times with you too. I take on board his background but he is on a national TV programme which he is well aware is being filmd 24/7.

So while he has,in that environment within reason, every right to say what he thinks of course.
It is then,(I think anyway),better counsel to curb what you say in that public environment that may not be an acceptable justification for the viewpoint.

He did himself no favours tonight by what he said ,but thats not my argument Joey its his right to say it that i think where the argument lies ,I loath and kick and scream against the PC brigade and always will ,no one has a right to tell me,or anyone else what they are allowed to say or think ,they can tell you they dont agree with what you said and then it stops there, to carry on after that is arrogance

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

That's your second attempt at rebuffing the same post i made and it makes no more sense or has no more relevance than your first attempt.

Good work!

it makes perfect sense youre either in denial or lack the intellect to work it out.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think chuff needs educating on what it means to be arrogant

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes you are generalizing and enforcing your own view and opinion on all 6 billion plus humans on the planet. spectacularly ignorant and arrogant that is. thats not a forum smiley as you know so youre also being disingenuous and to call people crazy is also discriminatory and insensitive, so youre a total hypocrite too

plenty of hetrosexual people commit suicide too , the rates are far higher in hetrosexual men on average than anyone else , often due to drugs , booze, broken families, lost access to their kids , career pressure and you barely post about the matter because its not part of your agenda.


you cant speak for all gay people and to do so is stereotypying everyone. stick to your own experience, can you change from being so judgemental and stereotyping people/

I'm talking about people who commit suicide because of their sexuality jfc

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

That's a bit heterophobic,to suggest a "straight" person would have no understanding that a gay person is born that way!?!

Please go ahead and explain how you'd know what a gay person feels then!?!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by subliminal

He didn't have to express hatred - he expressed enough through his homophobic views thanks. Oh and as a gay man I think this description of homophobia is about right...

'Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.'

what nonsense. Ive read more hatred of hetrosexual men on here than any homophobia....in fact bashing hetro males is a national sport. I suppose it will be banned one day but only when we think of a word for it....manphobia.....we cant even called farmers sheep shaggers any more lol

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by subliminal

He didn't have to express hatred - he expressed enough through his homophobic views thanks. Oh and as a gay man I think this description of homophobia is about right...

'Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.'

Yes, thanks for giving me wikipedia's description of homophobia. Homophobia is seen in different levels depending upon the person. I am gay and do not see it as homophobic. I do not need a wiki paragraph telling me otherwise.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Please go ahead and explain how you'd know what a gay person feels then!?!

how would you know how every lesbian, bi sexual, gay man on planet earth thinks?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Please go ahead and explain how you'd know what a gay person feels then!?!

Youve been doing that all night

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He did himself no favours tonight by what he said ,but thats not my argument Joey its his right to say it that i think where the argument lies ,I loath and kick and scream against the PC brigade and always will ,no one has a right to tell me,or anyone else what they are allowed to say or think ,they can tell you they dont agree with what you said and then it stops there, to carry on after that is arrogance

I hate the pc brigade too Chuff.
You are right in that he did himself no favours at all tonight.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Youve been doing that all night

So have you

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Salman!

He equated being gay to being handicapped I have no time for anyone who believes you can be entitled to say that

Eww, so disappointing... yet another one in there living in the dark ages. If he didn't get a formal warning, he deserved one.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I'm talking about people who commit suicide because of their sexuality jfc

So you ignore other suicides? you dont think theres lots of other reasons why they commit suicide? why dont you show as much concern for the mass male suicides worldwide for all men, including hetrosexual ones?

if you are sincere then dont you think allowing some conversation will enhance our understanding ? or do you advocate outlawing all opinions all discussions the way big brother did tonight/?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Eww, so disappointing... yet another one in there living in the dark ages. If he didn't get a formal warning, he deserved one.

he didnt do that, poster is lying to you

[the truth]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

So have you

no chuff hasnt actually

[SoBig]

Some people are different. I know a kid who says he was gay all his life and was born that way. He liked guys from the start. I know a girl who was straight throughout her life then in college experimented with girls and is now back dating a guy and swears she isn't gay and was just trying it out.

So I do think its a choice for some people and for others it isn't.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by the truth

So you ignore other suicides? you dont think theres lots of other reasons why they commit suicide? why dont you show as much concern for the mass male suicides worldwide for all men, including hetrosexual ones?

if you are sincere then dont you think allowing some conversation will enhance our understanding ? or do you advocate outlawing all opinions all discussions the way big brother did tonight/?

young gay teens are 8x more likely too commit suicide than the average person

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Some people are different. I know a kid who says he was gay all his life and was born that way. He liked guys from the start. I know a girl who was straight throughout her life then in college experimented with girls and is now back dating a guy and swears she isn't gay and was just trying out.

So I do think its a choice for some people and for others it isn't.

Experimenting is exactly what you said, experimenting.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

it makes perfect sense youre either in denial or lack the intellect to work it out.

If it makes you feel better about yourself then yes, i'm deeply in denial but i'm far too stupid to figure out just what it is i'm in denial about!
Your supreme intelligence, wit and repartee is so far beyond my comprehension that i feel insignificant in your virtual presence!

[Northern Monkey]

Punishing someone for expressing their opinion is WRONG,Wether that opinion is right or wrong.It is fine to disagree with it and state why you disagree with it but silencing peoples opinions in what's supposed to be a democratic society is the worst thing you can do to surppress a debate on any issue,The society we live in which allows freedom of speech is the same society which allows people to be openly gay/straight/religious etc.Society seems to struggle with these issues currently.I believe in the future we will all learn to respect each others lifestyles and opinions even if we disagree with them and able to discuss them freely and openly

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

young gay teens are 8x more likely too commit suicide than the average person

maybe because people like the radical left here and the PC brigade and big brother have outlawed us ever discussing the issue ? theyre actually making the situation infintely worse

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

So you ignore other suicides? you dont think theres lots of other reasons why they commit suicide? why dont you show as much concern for the mass male suicides worldwide for all men, including hetrosexual ones?

if you are sincere then dont you think allowing some conversation will enhance our understanding ? or do you advocate outlawing all opinions all discussions the way big brother did tonight/?

You are right,You have tormented people in all walks of life, not every straight person is happy as Larry, its silly to single out gay people who kill themselves ,Pain and hurt ,happens to ALL people ,not just gay people

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You are right,You have tormented people in all walks of life, not every straight person is happy as Larry, its silly to single out gay people who kill themselves ,Pain and hurt ,happens to ALL people ,not just gay people

I thought it didn't happen to gay people at all since "that's a thing of the past?"

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

young gay teens are 8x more likely too commit suicide than the average person

You are doing young gays no favours by stating that because it infers they are mentally unstable or that Evanders statement could be right, according to your post. Please proof read first.