[Lowkey]

Luisa is crying all over the gaf. Poor girl. Dappy finished her.

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by Zee

What I find interesting about the topic of conversation Dappy brought up is that it's rarely looked at the other way round... as in, there's focus on why is it that when a woman does it she's a slut but a man does it and he's a pimp... but why is it never looked at from the point of view of why do men feel no shame about sleeping around whereas women, whether consciously or not, are really sensitive to being criticised for doing the same thing? Why do men not feel any guilt for doing it? It's an interesting debate, but I don't think Dappy OR Luisa have the mental capacity to discuss such a topic, at least not without it getting personal as shown by tonight!

To discuss this subject reasonably we have to consider the knowledge required to be sure we know what we are talking about. Why do women select certain men over others? (Women think like eggs (scarce resource) and men like sperm -David DeAngelo) How do morals shape our society? Do people need to think themselves superior to others so that they know their place within a social group? All of which would delightfully lead us off topic!

[likeafire]

But hes right? None of these women in the house have any class or self respect. Maybe Sam, but dont even know she exists in the house

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Jemal

So a woman who sleeps with ten men in a night is known as what then?

Energetic!

[Z]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

To discuss this subject reasonably we have to consider the knowledge required to be sure we know what we are talking about. Why do women select certain men over others? (Women think like eggs (scarce resource) and men like sperm -David DeAngelo) How do morals shape our society? Do people need to think themselves superior to others so that they know their place within a social group? All of which would delightfully lead us off topic!

It really intrigues me!

[Colbert-Bump]

If you tell the world, you attend sex parties & have orgies then don't be surprised when people use it against you in arguments.

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by Colbert-Bump

If you tell the world, you attend sex parties & have orgies then don't be surprised when people use it against you in arguments.

Is that a rational way to argue? Perhaps you are saying 'I am right in what I say because I have the moral high ground'?

To be honest your statement makes no rational sense to me.

[Colbert-Bump]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

Is that a rational way to argue? Perhaps you are saying 'I am right in what I say because I have the moral high ground'?

To be honest your statement makes no rational sense to me.

They are both as bad as each other in my opinion. Luisa has made her sexual past very public, Dappy has every right to question her on it.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yep. I mean calling a woman a slut is bad but he wasn't just saying it to be horrible, he was trying to make the point that she has a child at home and she ought to be acting a bit more responsibly; what kind of message is that sending to her daughter? Dappy doesn't have any dependents, he doesn't have to be a role model to anyone. She made herself look bad by trying to be condescending about intelligence and avoided answering his question and then started shouting abuse at him.

He has two kids? Hardly been a role model to them either tbh.

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by Colbert-Bump

They are both as bad as each other in my opinion. Luisa has made her sexual past very public, Dappy has every right to question her on it.

lol this.
People on this forum act like luisa is some saint.
when shes the instigator of arguements all the time.
The way she is so stuck up is unbelievable, and her hypocrisy is on a new level.
She brings dappys mum into it but cant handle when dappy brings her daughter into it.
She can dish it out but she can't take it.

Everything i hate in a woman, i swear.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jemal

lol this.
People on this forum act like luisa is some saint.
when shes the instigator of arguements all the time.
The way she is so stuck up is unbelievable, and her hypocrisy is on a new level. She brings dappys mum into it but cant handle when dappy brings her daughter into it.
She can dish it out but she can't take it.

Everything i hate in a woman, i swear.

..the thing is though, is that they were both hypocrites in that neither one has the right to judge the other one and there is no doubt that what Dappy said about it being ok for males to be promiscuous but not females is a sexist thing to say, so Luisa was right to say so...but she then inferred that he was 'inferior' to her intellectually, which she had no right to do and of course he said, oh I've got academic qualifications etc and it all got a bit silly as these things do and she brought his mum into it/he brought her daughter into it etc...none of that had anything to do with the original comment from Dappy, which was meant to be the issue and the only person that was really 'in the right' was Jasmine, who said that it was all a matter of opinion/subjective..but even then, it doesn't mean that the original comment was any less sexist...but it's not an unusual opinion either, females are often judged more harshly than males in certain things...

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..the thing is though, is that they were both hypocrites in that neither one has the right to judge the other one and there is no doubt that what Dappy said about it being ok for males to be promiscuous but not females is a sexist thing to say, so Luisa was right to say so...but she then inferred that he was 'inferior' to her intellectually, which she had no right to do and of course he said, oh I've got academic qualifications etc and it all got a bit silly as these things do and she brought his mum into it/he brought her daughter into it etc...none of that had anything to do with the original comment from Dappy, which was meant to be the issue and the only person that was really 'in the right' was Jasmine, who said that it was all a matter of opinion/subjective..but even then, it doesn't mean that the original comment was any less sexist...but it's not an unusual opinion either, females are often judged more harshly than males in certain things...

The reason im not getting onto dappy for the "its ok for men" comment is because he had the dignity to apologise to jasmine when she said she was offended and say 'i was wrong, i ment pigs, im sorry'.

Luisa can only dream of doing that. She was blatenyly trying to make dappy look bad and failed with flying crayons. Dappy ended her.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jemal

The reason im not getting onto dappy for the "its ok for men" comment is because he had the dignity to apologise to jasmine when she said she was offended and say 'i was wrong, i ment pigs, im sorry'.

Luisa can only dream of doing that. She was blatenyly trying to make dappy look bad and failed with flying crayons. Dappy ended her.

..I don't think he ended her..(whatever that means lol..)..neither of them looked really very good imo, but I'll be interested to see the whole thing in sequence on the highlight show if they do show it because in some ways it seemed like Luisa was pursuing it with her comments about him being less intelligent etc and her never having met 'anyone like that before..'..?..but she said that he was following her around and wouldn't let it drop....hmmmmm....

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't think he ended her..(whatever that means lol..)..neither of them looked really very good imo, but I'll be interested to see the whole thing in sequence on the highlight show if they do show it because in some ways it seemed like Luisa was pursuing it with her comments about him being less intelligent etc and her never having met 'anyone like that before..'..?..but she said that he was following her around and wouldn't let it drop....hmmmmm....

Should be interesting.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Jemal

She had no right bringing his mother into it. #fact

he had no right to bring her daughter into it

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by Petemitch123

he had no right to bring her daughter into it

Why didnt he?
I know its abit childish but if she can bring up his mother why can he bring up her daughter. This double standards is amazing.

Your just posting from your hatred of dappy. Thats the truth, the whole truth and nuttin but the truth.

[Jordan.]

Wtf is with the 'Dappy ended her' comments, Is that supposed to make him look big and hard?

[Brother Leon]

It's just hilarious how people are calling Dappy a dick and all while championing Luisa. Maybe if she was able to debate like an adult ala Jasmine and Dappy then you could say she came out better than him. At the end if the day they both came out stupid and Jasmine should teach Luisa a few things.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

It's just hilarious how people are calling Dappy a dick and all while championing Luisa. Maybe if she was able to debate like an adult ala Jasmine and Dappy then you could say she came out better than him. At the end if the day they both came out stupid and Jasmine should teach Luisa a few things.

I'd say that Jasmine argued in a well manner, not Dappy/Luisa though more than that, people should just enjoy it for what it is lol

[Livia]

They are all equally ridiculous.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I'd say that Jasmine argued in a well manner, not Dappy/Luisa though more than that, people should just enjoy it for what it is lol

Yeah. Dappy argued with Luisa like a tool, but when he was with Jasmine he was respectful towards her. It wasn't until Luisa got aggressive where he turned into an idiot

[flamingGalah!]

They are both as vile as each other & equally sluttish, but Dopey does have a good point...

[Z]

Originally Posted by Jake.

He has two kids? Hardly been a role model to them either tbh.

Yeah I didn't realise that at the time of posting, changes my entire perspective of the argument. I think Dappy is a hypocrite. He thinks it's okay for men to be sleazy to some extent; he knows it's wrong but he thinks men are allowed to "get it out of their system" before they grow up. In his mind, women are supposed to be respectable and shouldn't be sleeping around - I think his comments to Luisa were intended to be a sort of wake up call that she has a daughter and she shouldn't be sleeping around, maybe because on some level he feels that he shouldn't be sleeping around and setting a good example to his boys... but whatever his reasons for shouting at her, I still think he made a good point, one that both he and Luisa should bear in mind in the future.