[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

I can't believe you are comparing a horny idiot like Lee to a homophobic domestic abuser.

I don't know about Lee's private life and neither do you. I know what Jim did in the past, but I don't think he should be labelled a "homophobic domestic abuser" for the rest of his life though, having claimed to have turned his life around and showing every sign of that being the case. Don't you feel people can redeem themselves, ever? That's a very restrictive view.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

Why did his comments about nuclear bombs offend you?

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

No, what I'm saying is I don't believe he has changed. I had little knowledge of him before he went in and has never watched him on TV before. In my eyes, he is a horrible man - I base this on what I've seen in the house, and what I've seen of him makes me believe that the various stories about him are true.

I think he is trying to sugar coat his behaviour in the house but I when I watch him I see that he is horrible

You must be watching a different show to me.I haven't seen Jim being horrible to anyone.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

No, what I'm saying is I don't believe he has changed. I had little knowledge of him before he went in and has never watched him on TV before. In my eyes, he is a horrible man - I base this on what I've seen in the house, and what I've seen of him makes me believe that the various stories about him are true.

I think he is trying to sugar coat his behaviour in the house but I when I watch him I see that he is horrible

There is no doubt that most of the stories in his past are true, but that's not the question, is it. It's about whether or not he's changed, and if he has, should we still be beating him up for his past?

You're entitled to believe he hasn't changed. I think the majority are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt though, most of us not having picked up a vibe through our telly screen as you have claimed.

I was against him going in, I've never been a fan, quite the reverse... but when he claimed to have got a handle on his life I was willing to see if that was true.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Essentially, what you're saying is, even if someone changes, and shows themselves to be changed, they should just continue to be castigated for their past crimes and misdeeds forever.

Where is the evidence he has changed? From a week on a reality show where he is being viewed by the nation? He's hardly going to punch a women in the house, is he, or call Ollie a part time shirt lifter? He's going to try to redeem himself and act the nice lad, isn't he?
There is nothing to say he has changed or he hasn't changed. So I'm going on what I have read, his passive aggressiveness in the house and my own gut feelings.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

Where is the evidence he has changed? From a week on a reality show where he is being viewed by the nation? He's hardly going to punch a women in the house, is he, or call Ollie a part time shirt lifter? He's going to try to redeem himself and act the nice lad, isn't he?
There is nothing to say he has changed or he hasn't changed. So I'm going on what I have read, his passive aggressiveness in the house and my own gut feelings.

Evidence? What kind of evidence do you suggest someone can submit in order to prove they have changed? That's just silly. He himself has claimed to have changed. We can't ask for evidence other than he proves he has changed by his actions.

You don't like him. That's fine... I don't see why you're getting all bent out of shape because some people are willing to let him demonstrate that he has changed rather than believe no one can ever change.

[PrincessIona]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why did his comments about nuclear bombs offend you?

I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.

Originally Posted by Bojangles

You must be watching a different show to me.I haven't seen Jim being horrible to anyone.

I don't think he has been horrible to anyone on the show to be honest and I haven't said that he has, but I think he is a horrible man - it's hard to explain but he is the type of man that I cannot stand. There is something I see in him which I have seen in the many arrogant, sexist, abusive, women hating men I have had the misfortune of meeting

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by jet

Where is the evidence he has changed? From a week on a reality show where he is being viewed by the nation? He's hardly going to punch a women in the house, is he, or call Ollie a part time shirt lifter? He's going to try to redeem himself and act the nice lad, isn't he?
There is nothing to say he has changed or he hasn't changed. So I'm going on what I have read, his passive aggressiveness in the house and my own gut feelings.

What makes you such an expert in these matters?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.

Then I suggest half the country is going to offend you.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by jet

Where is the evidence he has changed? From a week on a reality show where he is being viewed by the nation? He's hardly going to punch a women in the house, is he, or call Ollie a part time shirt lifter? He's going to try to redeem himself and act the nice lad, isn't he?
There is nothing to say he has changed or he hasn't changed. So I'm going on what I have read, his passive aggressiveness in the house and my own gut feelings.

Wow, so you base your entire opinion of someone (who you apparently had no idea about) on what a trashy tabloid said about him 10 years ago?!? Despite actually seeing the man as he is now in the Big Brother house?! Judgemental much...

And despite him showing no signs at all of being a wife beating, homophobic bully you are still going to label him as such?

[jet]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.




I don't think he has been horrible to anyone on the show to be honest and I haven't said that he has, but I think he is a horrible man - it's hard to explain but he is the type of man that I cannot stand. There is something I see in him which I have seen in the many arrogant, sexist, abusive, women hating men I have had the misfortune of meeting

Exactly. I get the same feeling of discomfort when I see him. It's hard to explain.

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=PrincessIona;6606923]I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.




So ,you think it's better for us to sit back with no defense and be a sitting duck? What about the environmental impact the fumes from cars make and industry,the spillage into our waters,If we get hit by a nuclear weapon because we have no defense there will be no environment to speak of.

[PrincessIona]

Originally Posted by Livia

Then I suggest half the country is going to offend you.

Maybe offended was the wrong word for me to use, fortunately I have never met anyone that thinks nuclear bombs are good!

[PrincessIona]

Originally Posted by jet

Exactly. I get the same feeling of discomfort when I see him. It's hard to explain.

Yes, very hard to explain with words but it's definitely there

[Bojangles]

They keep the peace through fear.

[Stevep]

Jim has a sketchy past to say the least, people may claim he has changed based on his behaviour in the house but from the few snippets that we have seen of him he more often than not has got under somebody's skin. Coincidence? I think not. He bites whenever the opportunity arises and often uses his comedy, and peoples misinterpretation of it, as an excuse for his misdemeanors which he then in-turn uses to his advantage to then insult people in the guise of a 'joke' (the Jasmine incident springs to mind). 'Fans' of his may believe otherwise but i think it is glaringly obvious he is suppressing the real Jim.

That said, i don't particularly like or dislike the guy, just giving my opinion from what i have observed from his various comments/actions etc.

[PrincessIona]

[QUOTE=Kazanne;6606936]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.









So ,you think it's better for us to sit back with no defense and be a sitting duck? What about the environmental impact the fumes from cars make and industry,the spillage into our waters,If we get hit by a nuclear weapon because we have no defense there will be no environment to speak of.

I'm not saying countries shouldn't have defences, I just don't think nuclear bombs are the right ones to have.

We can't avoid everything that's bad for the environment, and I'm not against nuclear power because of its practicalities outweigh negative impact.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Evidence? What kind of evidence do you suggest someone can submit in order to prove they have changed? That's just silly. He himself has claimed to have changed. We can't ask for evidence other than he proves he has changed by his actions.

You don't like him. That's fine... I don't see why you're getting all bent out of shape because some people are willing to let him demonstrate that he has changed rather than believe no one can ever change.

Who's getting bent out of shape? I'm passing the time on a message board.
When you diagnosed Liz Jones with all the mental problems you assert she suffers from I didn't jump on you for your opinion. I'm entitled to think he hasn't changed just as you are entitled to say awful things about Liz and others with no evidence to back them up.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Stevep

Jim has a sketchy past to say the least, people may claim he has changed based on his behaviour in the house but from the few snippets that we have seen of him he more often than not has got under somebody's skin. Coincidence? I think not. He bites whenever the opportunity arises and often uses his comedy, and peoples misinterpretation of it, as an excuse for his misdemeanors which in-turn he uses to his advantage to then insult people in the guise of a 'joke' (the Jasmine incident springs to mind). 'Fans' of his may believe otherwise but i think it is blatantly obvious he is suppressing the real Jim.

That said, i don't particularly like or dislike the guy, just giving my opinion from what i have observed from his various comments/actions etc.

Exactly right. He's not managing to hide his passive - aggressiveness very well, is he?

[Bojangles]

Our boys and girl's in the forces are getting blown to bits by fighting for peace.Jim backs our armed forces 100% and does a lot for them.I for one salute you Jim.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Exactly right. He's not managing to hide his passive - aggressiveness very well, is he?

I agree with this to be honest. He is very passive aggressive and (tries to) hide it as "just comedy" (although he also is distinctly unfunny...) when its quite clear from his body language that he is angry. He's also randomly quipped some nasty little snippets and then tried to pretend it didn't happen (or again, was a joke) because he knows he's supposed to repressing that side of him in the BB house... But little dribbles of his real thoughts and feelings sometimes sneak out.

[smudgie]

Nothing lovely about this asshole.
Can't wait until he can't hold the hate in any longer.

[smeagol]

people judge based on hype. least he isn't a horse puncher lol

[Verbal]

Sexist, racist, alcoholic Thatcherite

If Evander wasnt more right wing than he is he would have been first out.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

Maybe offended was the wrong word for me to use, fortunately I have never met anyone that thinks nuclear bombs are good!

No one thinks nuclear bombs are good... and when the less stable countries - North Korea, for example - agree never to use one, then we should be amongst the first to give ours up. Till then, they're a necessary evil. But this is really a discussion for Serious Debates and not the Big Brother section...