[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Josy

Some people can succeed in life without faith and some can't, some people turn to faith at bad times in their lives and some don't. Everyone has different outlooks on life so as long it's not personally affecting you in an negative way then my opinion is give them peace to do what they want with their own lives.

As long as we dont have this in schools or politics or medicine i dont think anyone cares.

[arista]

A Top Book
I Love

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by arista

A Top Book
I Love

Its an excellent book.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Its an excellent book.

You Are Most Wise

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

A Top Book
I Love

My daughter thinks he's great, I got her one of his books for christmas...ironically

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My daughter thinks he's great, I got her one of his books for christmas...ironically

She Is Most Wise

[Marsh.]

You want a debate?

Try adding some balance to the opening post.

Simply slagging something/some people off doesn't work.

[arista]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

You want a debate?

Try adding some balance to the opening post.

Simply slagging something/some people off doesn't work.

You Need FoxNewsHD
for that.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

You want a debate?

Try adding some balance to the opening post.

Simply slagging something/some people off doesn't work.

It was neither. I asked for everyones opinion and stated mine. rather than mark the thread it would be better to state your view or move on.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

It was neither. I asked for everyones opinion and stated mine. rather than mark the thread it would be better to state your view or move on.

You're making presumptions on a very diverse group of people and insulting people who hold an opposing view/opinion to your own, that's not welcoming them and their opinions when you're pretty much attacking them from the start.

A course in people skills might be of use to you.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

You're making presumptions on a very diverse group of people and insulting people who hold an opposing view/opinion to your own, that's not welcoming them and their opinions when you're pretty much attacking them from the start.

A course in people skills might be of use to you.

I note your deliberate irony for comic effect

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

I note your deliberate irony for comic effect

No irony in my post.

I didn't make presumptions about you and commented on what you posted in the OP.

[Ninastar]

Praise Livia

[thesheriff443]

getting people to believe in something you cant prove or disprove, is a wonderful thing.
only in death will you be rewarded!, now that's a great line.

[Nedusa]

I was the poster who used the term " mentally deranged" for people who pray , my post was removed as offensive and I later posted that I should not have used that language as it has caused offence where no offence was intended.

As I said later each to their own but praying is not for me.

On a more general note I wonder if we can have a robust debate of this subject as it is quote emotive and views on both sides can become inflamed and slightly hysterical as we saw a few posts ago.

Better to let this subject lie as nobody is going to change their views on the back of a few choice words on an Internet forum....!!!!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I was the poster who used the term " mentally deranged" for people who pray , my post was removed as offensive and I later posted that I should not have used that language as it has caused offence where no offence was intended.

I am quite baffled how calling people mentally deranged did not intend offence?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I am quite baffled how calling people mentally deranged did not intend offence?

I'd had a long day and I hadn't engaged my brain before typing, of course the term is offensive I should have used different language as I explained earlier...!!!

[Jezzy]

What do you believe in,Catweazle? Apart from the hideousness and irredeemability of existence. I'd call you a Nihilist, but I don't know how far considered your thoughts are. You tend to spout vox pop.

Surely everyone needs something to believe in?

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

What do you believe in,Catweazle? Apart from the hideousness and irredeemability of existence. I'd call you a Nihilist, but I don't know how far considered your thoughts are. You tend to spout vox pop.

Surely everyone needs something to believe in?

Are you saying everyone needs religion or spirituality? Can we not function on logic?

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Are you saying everyone needs religion or spirituality? Can we not function on logic?

Yeah, of course we can. But I personally think life would be a lot emptier if we didn't believe we could do something special. Not everyone that bases their life on "logic" is fully aware of the arguments to that logic, and in a fully balanced view, those arguments should be considered. Don't ever fall in to the trap of seeing anything in balck and white.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

If you dont want to defend or explain your position then i can see no reason for you in this thread. As I stated the persecution angle is a card that can only be played once.

Why do people need to defend their personal beliefs?

Originally Posted by Kyle

Are you saying everyone needs religion or spirituality? Can we not function on logic?

Can we not open our minds to the possibility of things we can't see or touch?

As I said, would many of the great inventors have got anywhere if they sat back and thought "Oh, that's ridiculous and impossible"?

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Why do people need to defend their personal beliefs?



Can we not open our minds to the possibility of things we can't see or touch?

As I said, would many of the great inventors have got anywhere if they sat back and thought "Oh, that's ridiculous and impossible"?

Was going to add something to this, actually I don't need to.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Why do people need to defend their personal beliefs?



Can we not open our minds to the possibility of things we can't see or touch?

As I said, would many of the great inventors have got anywhere if they sat back and thought "Oh, that's ridiculous and impossible"?

But wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose of faith? By opening myself up to the small possibility that the one faith I've picked could be right but still maintaining it's probably not I still don't really have faith.

Do you have an open mind about all the other religions in the history of mankind?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kyle

But wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose of faith? By opening myself up to the small possibility that the one faith I've picked could be right but still maintaining it's probably not I still don't really have faith.

Do you have an open mind about all the other religions in the history of mankind?

That wasn't my point.

My point was about not being completely closed off to the possibilities of things we can't see or touch.

Being educated on religion and other faiths opens your mind to other cultures and makes you a better and more educated person for it. Not necessarily to believe everything, that wasn't my point. We can be part of one culture and broaden our horizons by learning about others and take interest in others. You don't have to join/take part in, but you don't have to ignore it either.

It was also directed at some of the disparaging comments about believing in these things, they could open their minds to the possibilities. Not sit there and say they believe or to choose a religion but not be so narrow minded that they cast it all aside as though it's worthless.

Also, having faith or being in touch with spirituality doesn't always lead to an organised religion.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Kyle

But wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose of faith? By opening myself up to the small possibility that the one faith I've picked could be right but still maintaining it's probably not I still don't really have faith.

Do you have an open mind about all the other religions in the history of mankind?

I think, and certainly to me, the faith that I have picked (and it's not anything remotely organised) is the right one for me - I may even be in a minority of one, and I have no doubt about it. If you look at many religions, they start to have a common thread.

Meh to prophets, tbh....they only interpret. (In my opinion!) I'll interpret for myself, based on surprisingly common principles.