[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Josy

And I think without any much evidence suggesting otherwise people are entitled to suspect them if they want.

People are entitled to do all manner of unpleasant things, doesn't make it right or pleasant to witness.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Desperate parents - wouldn't you want to go to the ends of the earth to find out what happened to your child?

You mean..including physically searching?

And possibly allowing tests to be done on your remaining kids to make sure they werent drugged?

And being devastated at the news that death had been smelt in your apartment, rather than immediately disregarding what the dogs allegedly found?

When SY disregard the main suspect (bundleman/Jane Tanners sighting) you would put the new suspect (Smith sighting) on your site immediately..so that people are searching for the correct person, surely?

I could go on, but fear its quite pointless. The McCanns do not come across as if they care very much. I know thats an awful thing to say, but their behaviour has been totally off from the get go.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

can you name a couple of UK ones?

http://missingkids.co.uk/missing/

[Vicky.]

http://www.findmadeleine.com/campaig...ed_people.html

This is the person everyone should be looking for btw...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Desperate parents - wouldn't you want to go to the ends of the earth to find out what happened to your child?

There was and is so much more they could have done or be doing, I don't need to post them again since they have already been posted throughout the threads and Vicky also posted a quick summary above.

[Vicky.]

Oh, also sitting on the Smith sighting for years and years. Who turns out to be the prime suspect? They did more damage to the search themselves than Amaral could ever have done tbh

Surely as a devastated parent you would use the 'fund' to follow up ALL leads, especially one in the right timeframe and area. Not totally ignore it?

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

I haven't either Vicky, I'm frankly shocked that anyone would think there was no neglect, especially when a creche was available for 10 euros.

Making a mistake, for which they have paid the worst price possible, does not make them child murderers. Half the problem is people see a case of neglect and want to play the blame game. They left their child, they must of killed her. It is insane.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Making a mistake, for which they have paid the worst price possible, does not make them child murderers. Half the problem is people see a case of neglect and want to play the blame game. They left their child, they must of killed her. It is insane.

Not everyone that thinks they should be done for neglect thinks they murdered her..even a lot of people who think the parents are totally innocent in it all still think they neglected their kids that night and should be punished for it.

Infact I dont think murder is a popular theory anyway. The most common from what I have seen has been accidental death.

IMO with all of the contradictions and holes in the story it is just ridiculous to believe anything 100%. Whether that be that the parents are innocent or guilty or hiding the body. There is massive room for doubt from either side tbh.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

http://missingkids.co.uk/missing/

That is not what i asked for. I am asking for an abducted UK child of a similar age who has gone missing and its not been major news?

[the truth]

the british police never solve anything. this is yet another PR load of nonsense to try and buy themselves good publicity. theyre utterly useless and unfit for purpose

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That is not what i asked for. I am asking for an abducted UK child of a similar age who has gone missing and its not been major news?

That's an old chestnut that pops up on here from time to time. Never seen any evidence of it though...

I think the McCanns, despite an horrific Internet campaign of abuse, backed up by wafer-thin allegations and virtually no evidence at all, by people who know nothing of the case but what they've read online, have done really well to keep Madeleine's name in the press and the case in people's minds. I think many people in their position would have submitted and let the trolls move on to something else. Keeping this alive in the press isn't an easy thing to do, you have to be committed to it.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

From the Mirror today:

"Madeleine McCann: Lawyer says 'Kate and Gerry McCann guilty of neglect for leaving her - and they weren't charged'

Gareth Morgan made the shocking claim while acting for a drink-driving mum who left her five-year-old son, who has Asperger syndrome, home alone at night

Yesterday a friend of Kate and Gerry McCann, both 45, blasted the comparison as “insensitive and plain wrong”.

The mum, 44, was caught after she crashed into a car at traffic lights. When the police went to her home they found the “extremely vulnerable” boy there.

The woman, who cannot be named, admitted neglect and was spared jail. But Mr Morgan pleaded for her freedom on the basis that Kate and Gerry McCann were never prosecuted for leaving daughter Madeleine alone in their holiday flat.

He told magistrates in Merthyr Tydfil, South Wales: “The parents of Madeleine McCann were guilty of child neglect for leaving their little girl much longer than my client. They were never prosecuted.

"The mother in this case is ashamed and remorseful at putting her young child at risk in the way she did.”

The McCanns left three-year-old Madeleine in their apartment in Portugal’s Praia da Luz while they dined with friends at a nearby tapas bar in May 2007.

What on earth would be the point of charging a couple who had already paid the ultimate price for their 'mistake'? It would be inhuman. The two cases are not comparable as the other woman mentioned did not lose her child. The McCanns have been punished enough and will pay for the rest of their lives. Baying for blood won't make it any worse for them.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's an old chestnut that pops up on here from time to time. Never seen any evidence of it though...

I think the McCanns, despite an horrific Internet campaign of abuse, backed up by wafer-thin allegations and virtually no evidence at all, by people who know nothing of the case but when they've read online, have done really well to keep Madeleine's name in the press and the case in people's minds. I think many people in their position would have submitted and let the trolls move on to something else. Keeping this alive in the press isn't an easy thing to do, you have to be committed to it.

I couldn't agree more.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

What on earth would be the point of charging a couple who had already paid the ultimate price for their 'mistake'? It would be inhuman. The two cases are not comparable as the other woman mentioned did not lose her child. The McCanns have been punished enough and will pay for the rest of their lives. Baying for blood won't make it any worse for them.

I can't take you seriously when your username is sassysocks

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I can't take you seriously when your username is sassysocks

What bit don't you like, the sass or the socks?

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

What on earth would be the point of charging a couple who had already paid the ultimate price for their 'mistake'? It would be inhuman. The two cases are not comparable as the other woman mentioned did not lose her child. The McCanns have been punished enough and will pay for the rest of their lives. Baying for blood won't make it any worse for them.

I guarantee you if this was Tracey from Peckham estate that done the exact same thing they did in Peckham then she loses her other kids/kid for being "unfit mother". People lose their kids over much less.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's an old chestnut that pops up on here from time to time. Never seen any evidence of it though...

I think the McCanns, despite an horrific Internet campaign of abuse, backed up by wafer-thin allegations and virtually no evidence at all, by people who know nothing of the case but what they've read online, have done really well to keep Madeleine's name in the press and the case in people's minds. I think many people in their position would have submitted and let the trolls move on to something else. Keeping this alive in the press isn't an easy thing to do, you have to be committed to it.

agreed, the hate is because they are middle class and people just dont like them

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

I guarantee you if this was Tracey from Peckham estate that done the exact same thing they did in Peckham then she loses her other kids/kid for being "unfit mother". People lose their kids over much less.

That is another part of the problem - some have turned it into a class issue.

Just because they have money and possibly connections does not been they shouldn't use that advantage to find their daughter. Anyone would. All they can think about in that situation is their daughter and finding her, it is perfectly natural, it doesn't mean they don't care about other children. They are not going to abandon their search, with all the publicity, because others say it isn't fair.

One thing I think we can be sure of is they won't leave their children alone again. I wonder if the other woman mentioned as a comparison will drink and drive again whilst leaving her young child at home alone. She certainly didn't pay the same price.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

agreed, the hate is because they are middle class and people just dont like them

It's a bit more complex than that.

I don't agree with all of the people so adamant that they are guilty of something as though they know more than anyone. But there is quite a lot wrong and contradicting about the McCann's and it is fair to say if they weren't middle class doctors but unemployed people from a council estate then they'd have been treated a hell of a lot differently if it had come out that they'd abandoned the kids to go on a night of drinking.

Not necessarily the McCann's fault but our society's that we have such double standards.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

agreed, the hate is because they are middle class and people just dont like them

wrong its because 1) the girl was taken due to their negligence 2) they seemed to do this all the time 3) because so much public time and monies was spent on this case compared to the 100s of other kids who disappear every year and never get a fraction of this time and money spent on finding them. its totally unfair.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

That is another part of the problem - some have turned it into a class issue.

Just because they have money and possibly connections does not been they shouldn't use that advantage to find their daughter. Anyone would. All they can think about in that situation is their daughter and finding her, it is perfectly natural, it doesn't mean they don't care about other children. They are not going to abandon their search, with all the publicity, because others say it isn't fair.

One thing I think we can be sure of is they won't leave their children alone again. I wonder if the other woman mentioned as a comparison will drink and drive again whilst leaving her young child at home alone. She certainly didn't pay the same price.

leaving 3 very young kids on their own in an unlocked apartment abroad is mental

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

agreed, the hate is because they are middle class and people just dont like them

I know... and because no one on here with kids has ever left them alone, or done anything stupid at all. I mean, I watched my brother throw my niece up into the air when she wast little, just playing with her... and crack her head on the ceiling. He said to me afterwards, what a riciculous thing to do... luckily she was fine be we all had a sharp intake of breath. When we were kids my parents would leave us asleep to eat outside with friends, checking on us regularly... maybe my parents are monsters. But I doubt it.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know... and because no one on here with kids has ever left them alone, or done anything stupid at all. I mean, I watched my brother throw my niece up into the air when she wast little, just playing with her... and crack her head on the ceiling. He said to me afterwards, what a riciculous thing to do... luckily she was fine be we all had a sharp intake of breath. When we were kids my parents would leave us asleep to eat outside with friends, checking on us regularly... maybe my parents are monsters. But I doubt it.

yeah but they were leaving these 3 very young kids alone every night abroad in an unlocked apartment? thats absurd

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

It's a bit more complex than that.

I don't agree with all of the people so adamant that they are guilty of something as though they know more than anyone. But there is quite a lot wrong and contradicting about the McCann's and it is fair to say if they weren't middle class doctors but unemployed people from a council estate then they'd have been treated a hell of a lot differently if it had come out that they'd abandoned the kids to go on a night of drinking.

Not necessarily the McCann's fault but our society's that we have such double standards.

..I totally agree with this, I think the McCanns were completely wrong to leave their children alone in a holiday apartment while they went out, they were as wrong as anyone else would be regardless of who they were, as a parent I find it an astonishing thing to do with children so young...but I don't believe that their 'neglect' as parents assumes anything else sinister that they may have done...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I totally agree with this, I think the McCanns were completely wrong to leave their children alone in a holiday apartment while they went out, they were as wrong as anyone else would be regardless of who they were, as a parent I find it an astonishing thing to do with children so young...but I don't believe that their 'neglect' as parents assumes anything else sinister that they may have done...

im absolutely amazed the social services didnt get involved. it was gross negligence to say the least