[Jack_]

Why Neda is in the War Room still remains to be seen though

Why the ****ing **** are they repeating this awful, unfair twist? It's the worst one they've done so far in both seasons. Just NO. Ugh

[JTM45]

So does the HOH know that it's an instant eviction before they nominate ?
When does it happen ? Surely the eviction would be on a different day if hey evict straight after the nomination ceremony ?

[Jack_]

Well last year IIRC Topaz won the comp, they got her to strategise alone talking to Arisa and broadcasting her to the house, she made her noms and then Arisa announced that it was an instant eviction, so none of them had any idea what that even was

Depends what they wanna do this year and if Neda's smart enough to work out something weird is going on

Expect there'll be a new HoH comp (probs endurance), new winner and new noms by the time feeds come back

[Headie]

Yeah, I thought something was odd when there was no POV option on the prediction game on the BBCAN website.

I think this pretty much ensures that one of the gremlins is going home. I can't see her putting up Alison as anything other than a veto replacement.

At least we'll get a new HOH after this predictable round.

[mkbb]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Yeah, I thought something was odd when there was no POV option on the prediction game on the BBCAN website.

I think this pretty much ensures that one of the gremlins is going home. I can't see her putting up Alison as anything other than a veto replacement.

At least we'll get a new HOH after this predictable round.

I think Neda will realise its an instant with no POV or they may even be told. That was the most unfair thing about last year the fact they didn't know there was no veto before Topaz nominated (well other then broadcasting all of Topaz's strategy)

[Marc]

Silly

[Vladimir]

I didn't watch last year but it sounds really unfair.

[karl100589]

Fingers crossed Neda is smart enough to realise this and not give away too much about herself like Topaz did

[starry]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Expect there'll be a new HoH comp (probs endurance), new winner and new noms by the time feeds come back

It's pretty pathetic that you'd have to wait several days to see all that. And the controlling aspect about this 'live' stream which happens to be dead even when it really needn't be.

Why didn't they explain this twist at the end of the last HLs, this is more relevant to what is happening now than the jury or this stupid Emmit/Jillian talk. Maybe they just thought now Neda is HoH let's let her evict someone.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by starry

It's pretty pathetic that you'd have to wait several days to see all that. And the controlling aspect about this 'live' stream which happens to be dead even when it really needn't be.

Why didn't they explain this twist at the end of the last HLs, this is more relevant to what is happening now than the jury or this stupid Emmit/Jillian talk. Maybe they just thought now Neda is HoH let's let her evict someone.

Firstly Neda doesn't get to evict anyone unless the vote ties at 2-2 so I'm not sure what you're getting at there but I really don't get your staunch opposition to the live feed. Why do you not get how integral it is to any series of Big Brother anywhere in the world? I get your points about the feed downtime and them cutting them for ceremonies and comps and yes I wish it didn't happen but it's done so that feeders are enticed into watching the episodes.

Why you refuse to watch the feeds just because they cut comps and ceremonies is beyond me because in reality they really aren't all that important, it's the hours and hours of game talk that shape the way the season unfolds, you can just find out who won the comps when the feeds return...no need to see the footage. And if you watch the feeds you should know who'll be nominated by the time the feeds are cut for the ceremony anyway. Do you really trust the heavily edited footage on the main show? In the past few episodes they've missed out key parts of the storyline that only feeders would know

Yes it'd be great to watch the comps play out live and yes it'd be fun to see how they put the noms and Veto ceremonies together but in the grand scheme of things they really aren't that important, it's the results that are important and you can just find them out when the feeds return, why wait until the episodes?

[starry]

I never had opposition to the live stream, that's your words not mine. They are greatly limited though (even if some won't admit it), and don't make up for the several days wait everybody has to see the important events. And the HoH and then the veto are absolutely integral to the whole game. The show revolves around the HoH, the strategy is to suck up to the HoH for instance. Neda here, without the veto, decides which 2 people might go home, which at the very least makes it easier for her in not having to name a replacement in case of a veto. As well as obviously not giving at least one of them a chance to save themselves by competition.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I suspect they want to make sure Alison/Rachelle/Sabrina goes this week

Adel, Heather, Neda and Jon seem the more popular so production have to make sure they all stay intact

[Jack_]

Well you don't seem to watch the feeds so I think it's a fair assumption you don't watch them just because they block the comps and ceremonies

I never denied they are limited? I even said in my last post I wish they didn't block the comps and ceremonies and I wish they didn't do these whole weekends worth of downtime (which happens more on BBCAN than BBUS but that'll be down to the fact US feeds are on a subscription, these are free so really they can do what they want) but they do because they want to save bits for the episodes so that people who watch the feeds still have a reason to tune in. It's the episodes that make the money so that's obviously the part of the show they're trying to enhance.

You've totally misinterpreted what I said. Obviously the HoH and Veto winners are integral to the game but you don't need to see the comps live to find out who won, when they return 15 minutes after the competition is over you can find out who won through the discussions on the feeds within minutes. The actual results of the comp are what is important, not the comp itself...they could do a coin tossing competition for all I care, it's the results that matter the competitions are just to make it look flashy and fun on the episodes.

We get to see people sucking up to the HoH for 36 hours on the feeds from when the eviction episode finishes to when the feeds go down Saturday morning for the ceremony, they then return and we see 12-24 hours of fallout before they go down for the Veto comp and then we get to see 24 hours of more scrambling and sucking up before they're taken down for the final time for the Veto meeting. And then after that we get 72 hours of vote-flipping as the nominees campaign. So what's that - 156ish hours of game talk, strategy, sucking up and scrambling across the week? Compared to how much during the three 40 minute episodes...what, like an hour all in all when you factor out the competitions themselves and the random fun bits they like to throw in?

Yeah, I think I know what's more important out of the feeds and episodes. By not watching them just cause you don't get to see some people throwing t-shirts into a suitcase play out for 90 minutes you're actually missing the real storylines unfold day to day, not the rushed and unrepresentative edits the main show gives you. But whatever, the feeds have their issues and yes we'd all like them to be on all the time but they're not, that doesn't mean they aren't useful and integral for the stuff we do get to see though

[starry]

Big Brother is about the big moments, when someone saves themselves, gets power, finds out they are nominated or saved, or evicted. Only one of these is shown near the event (though still not live and no doubt still edited), the eviction. This is when you get the reactions more often than not. The strategy talks leads up to these, and some of it is relevant and some of it is totally irrelevant. And they have cut off more than just competitions from the US feed in the past despite the hefty fee they charge for the already limited coverage.

Live streaming is more powerful if used more in conjunction with the HLs, rather than making it like it's a show for two different audiences but only ending up annoying both sets of people which is what happens.

[Jack_]

Big Brother is about watching a bunch of people live in a secluded house and how they react (BBUK and AUS) and/or the ins and outs of a social and strategic game (BBCA and US). The 'big moments' are just peaks of that, that isn't just what the show is about - there's more to it than that.

So you don't like/don't watch the feeds because you don't get to see their immediate reactions and facial expressions in the first five minutes when a 'big moment happens in a comp or ceremony? That makes no sense to me. Those reactions are what gets shown on the episodes anyway, the hours and hours and hours of fallout and reactions which do often last for a long time after the feeds return are much more important to understanding the shape of the game and are actually better to watch because you know what's really going on day to day. No strategy talks are 'irrelevant', they're all relevant. That's what this entire game is about, not seeing them standing on ice blocks for hours on end. The results are what matters, not the comps. Not the ceremonies themselves. Just the results. The results are what determines the ways the discussions are going to go over the week and naturally you don't see nearly as much as those on the episodes as you do on the feeds.

I already think they work enough in conjunction with each other, I see the episodes as consolidating the stuff I've already learnt from the feeds and seeing the comps and ceremonies that I already know the results to (that doesn't bother me, I would rather know them ten minutes after they're finished than three days - your logic isn't adding up on this one, you want to see the results live but because you can't you'll wait three days rather than just tune in to the feeds to find out a little while after the comp is finished?)

As I've already said I totally get the annoyance at feed downtime, we all wish they could be up constantly as well, no one's denying that. But they aren't and we have to make do with what we're given, why you would starve yourself of basically the entire weeks genuine game progress just so you can find out who won a spelling competition is beyond me. The episodes are almost always unrepresentative of what's actually happened and on the subject of 'big moments', Allison's drunken meltdown before last weeks PoV ceremony as she realised she was about to be backdoored and is the inadvertent reason Arlie was the new target instead was shown on the feeds but wasn't on the episode...so...