[Brother Leon]

Get off with all the media bs. Even now the radio stations are all "poor Dave, players let him down"..you want to blame the media for a dismissal then it is AVB's..not Moyes. Also Moyes had 2 windows to get a midfielder...two windows. He rejected two quality Spanish midfielders and bought Fellaini..that alone is sack worthy.


Van Gaal may be no better, but he will at least do much better in the market and won't stand for any of this bs. You think Van Gaal keeps Rooney on the pitch even when he's stinking it up?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Also Moyes had 2 windows to get a midfielder...two windows. He rejected two quality Spanish midfielders and bought Fellaini..that alone is sack worthy.

If you believe that any manager play's any part in doing the deals to bring players in then your deluded. He would have given the guy who does the deals names of who he wanted and then it would be that guys job to go out and deliver them to the manager, and by all accounts Moyes wanted Baines and Fabregas bringing in and the guy failed to land them for him.

Your now in the manager merry go round and the team you have are not good enough to make the top 4, it could be ten years and ten different managers before you get back there. So sit back and enjoy watching Man City and Liverpool being successful for the next ten years.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by wannashag

If you believe that any manager play's any part in doing the deals to bring players in then your deluded. He would have given the guy who does the deals names of who he wanted and then it would be that guys job to go out and deliver them to the manager, and by all accounts Moyes wanted Baines and Fabregas bringing in and the guy failed to land them for him.

Your now in the manager merry go round and the team you have are not good enough to make the top 4, it could be ten years and ten different managers before you get back there. So sit back and enjoy watching Man City and Liverpool being successful for the next ten years.

Cesc was never realistic. There is no excuse deeming Thiago and Herrera not good enough though.



Also. 10 years to get back in the top 4 must be one of the worst comments on this forum. No one before the season expected the squad to be outside the top 4. All the talk was how great a young squad has been left behind. It wasn't until Moyes proved inept that all the "weak squad" rubbish started as an excuse.

An attack of Rooney,Mata,Kagawa,Adnan,RVP,Nani,Welbz,Hernandez. ..it's the best attacking talent we have had since CR7 left. No excuse to be playing such clueless attacking football.

Youtube video

The peoples prince.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Get off with all the media bs.

What's BS about it? The guy has worked hard throughout is career to get where he was, he was just doing his job trying to earn a living to pay the bills just like everybody else does.

Would you like people to be hounding you out of your job? would you like people to go on these social network sites saying that your daughter is shag*ing half of your work colleagues?

Funny that back in the day before huge amounts of money came in to the game that football wasn't that huge a topic to the media and managers lasted in their jobs, but now the media tells you what's what managers are sacked in their droves, ten just in the Premier League this season (that's half of the teams)

[Ryan57]

Duncan Castles generally talks BS, right?

Roberto Di Matteo has also been included on United's short list.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Duncan Castles generally talks BS, right?

Roberto Di Matteo has also been included on United's short list.

Won more European cups in less attempts then Klopp

[MTVN]

Di Matteo's CL win must be the biggest slice of managerial luck of all time

[Brother Leon]

****ing paywall. The article was getting juicy.....

Sacked Manchester United manager was scorned during loss to Olympiacos

Piraeus, February 25. There were only seconds left of Manchester United’s wretched 2-0 defeat by Olympiacos in the first leg of their Champions League round-of-16 tie when David Moyes began remonstrating with the fourth official. Out of the United manager’s earshot, but loud enough it seemed for Steve Round, Moyes’s assistant, to hear, came a shout from a disgruntled player — “Send him off, we’d be better off." On the substitutes’ bench, there were astonished glances. Had they really just heard that?

About 20 minutes earlier, his team trailing and flailing, Moyes had signalled his intention to bring on Marouane Fellaini...


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/...cle4070202.ece

Ducker is usually dead on...

On the bench at that time were...

11 Giggs
13 Lindegaard
14 Hernández
23 Cleverley
25 Antonio Valencia
28 Büttner
31 Fellaini
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Has to be Giggs or Cleverley

[Drew.]

Giggs surely

[Drew.]

Cleverley wouldn't have the balls to come out with that

[Ryan57]

'effin paywall. FFS.

[Ryan57]

No worries. Ian Ladyman has the same story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ted-stars.html

A management self-help guide called Good to Great was Moyes’s choice after his team’s 2-0 defeat by Olympiacos that we now know was the tipping point of the Scot’s dismal reign at Old Trafford.

Deary me.

[MTVN]

Piraeus, February 25. There were only seconds left of Manchester United’s wretched 2-0 defeat by Olympiacos in the first leg of their Champions League round-of-16 tie when David Moyes began remonstrating with the fourth official. Out of the United manager’s earshot, but loud enough it seemed for Steve Round, Moyes’s assistant, to hear, came a shout from a disgruntled player — “Send him off, we’d be better off”. On the substitutes’ bench, there were astonished glances. Had they really just heard that?

About 20 minutes earlier, his team trailing and flailing, Moyes had signalled his intention to bring on Marouane Fellaini up front, a final, desperate throw of the dice to salvage something from the game and avert more acute embarrassment. It was a gut instinct, yet one that was met with immediate concern from Ryan Giggs, the player-coach, who felt that hoofing the ball long to the Belgium midfielder was not the way to go about trying to rescue things. Moyes relented.

The pressure that night must have been intense — indeed, it was the moment that signalled the beginning of the end for Moyes — but the incidents are instructive, the first for underlining the extent of the dressing-room discontent, the second for highlighting the indecision that was a recurring theme during the manager’s miserable ten months in charge.

It has been said that Moyes lost the dressing room, but that is not strictly true. He never really had it, and as the weeks turned into months, the misgivings and dissatisfaction only grew. The overwhelming feeling, which took hold long before that chastening night in Greece, was that he was a decent man who was out of his depth.

The irony is that it required him to lose his job before he found his true voice — Moyes was said to have cut an impressive, forthright figure in his farewell address to the players at the club’s Carrington headquarters yesterday.
There had been moments before when he had caught the players’ full attention, notably when telling them during a furious tirade after the FA Cup third-round defeat at home to Swansea City in January that they were “not fit to wear the shirt”, but not enough. Tellingly, the mood was vastly more upbeat during the first post-Moyes training session, which was led by Giggs and Nicky *.

For all the frustration with the one-dimensional tactics and the inherent caution, little dismayed the players as much as Moyes’s poor squad management and mixed messages. Some were overused to the point of fatigue and then barely seen again for weeks, others chronically under-used only suddenly to be hurried in from the cold in emergency situations.

Nor was there any consistency of selection. Rio Ferdinand started seven of United’s opening eight matches of the season then hardly featured for the next 4½ months. The defender’s appearance on that night against Olympiacos was only his third start in 17 matches, and how it showed. Danny Welbeck, Shinji Kagawa, Ashley Young, Javier Hernández and Darren Fletcher all encountered similar treatment.

Tom Cleverley started eight games in just 24 days from mid-December, but when tired legs contributed to him giving away a penalty in the last of those matches — against Sunderland in the Capital One Cup — the England midfielder was barely seen for another 3½ weeks.

At least two players went to see Moyes to complain about a lacking of playing time. They were told if they didn’t like it he would not stand in their way this summer. Others felt he was unable to restore their confidence or ensure those on the periphery felt included.

Under Sir Alex Ferguson, players were accustomed to being told the team the night before a game. Moyes tended to wait until the pre-match meeting three hours before kick-off before naming his and the substitutes only 90 minutes before the game. Mentally, the players felt they needed longer to prepare, a frustration articulated by Ferdinand. “You spend a lot of nervous energy thinking, ‘Am I playing, am I not playing?’ ” he said. “Keep just going round in circles in your head, enough to turn you into a madman.”

Moyes would be the first to reject suggestions that he was harder on the younger players than the senior ones. Yet the decision to discipline Welbeck, Young and Cleverley for a late night out in Manchester — 24 hours after the club’s elimination by Bayern Munich in the Champions League quarter-finals — even though the players had been granted four days off and not broken any rules, seemed strange given what had transpired only a few weeks earlier.

On that occasion, a player turned up about an hour late for training looking worse for wear, but no punishment was believed to have been forthcoming. Was there also an overindulgence of Robin van Persie, with whom there were rumours — always denied — of fallouts and disagreements?

Dressing rooms are no different to offices — some colleagues get on, others don’t — but by the end it was noted that certain potentially divisive cliques were beginning to develop.

Back to Piraeus. On the plane home, Moyes was spotted with a copy of Good to Great — Why Some Companies Make The Leap . . . And Others Don’t, a management book by Jim Collins. It was fitting — a good manager trying yet failing to make the jump to becoming a great one.

Once at Manchester airport, a posse of photographers were waiting to take Moyes’s picture. The colour seemed to drain instantly from his face once he spotted them and, motioning to his father, David Sr, next to him, he could not disappear from view quickly enough. Ultimately, the immensity of it all was just too much.

Giggsy

[Drew.]

"At training, United’s players soon became disenchanted with his sessions.
They found them boring. One coach appointed by Moyes was referred to as ‘******* Off (insert name here)’, simply because that was what some players felt like saying when he started talking.
Nor was the disaffection and the disloyalty restricted to the training ground. Towards the end of that game in Athens, for example, Moyes found himself arguing with the fourth official.
‘Send him off,’ came one voice from among the substitutes. ‘We would be better off without him.’ A clear act of insubordination, it astonished those who heard it — but it was not an isolated incident."

[Brother Leon]

Thanks Matthew.


"**** off Round"....Imagine calling your assistant manager that ffs


God bless Giggsy though. The one person who wanted us to play football from the coaching staff it seems

[Ryan57]

All pundits need to see this. Giving him more time would of been pointless. The dressing room was lost and numerous players will of wanted out this summer.

[Brother Leon]

Btw. Moyes is going to make a ****load of money if he released a "tell all book" about his time at United. Would be a cool read tbh.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Btw. Moyes is going to make a ****load of money if he released a "tell all book" about his time at United. Would be a cool read tbh.

It'd be about 90% scathing of the players, 10% him blaming himself.

[Ryan57]

I wish him luck in future endeavours.

As everyone will know, I wasn't his biggest fan (understatement of the century), and he did piss me off basically every week. Infact, just seeing him smile pissed me off. Hearing him talk, pissed me off. Him smiling after defeats, pissed me off.

However, he's a decent man. Just one that severely pissed me off.

[Ryan57]

He didn't help himself, however. Criticising players who had actually won something, when he's done sweet FA.

[Locke.]

Sir Alex Ferguson will play a key role in selecting David Moyes's replacement as Manchester United manager.

[Ryan57]

Luckily, it seems it's between Van Gaal and Ancelotti. Although I'd prefer him to never have a say again as he is woeful at choosing managers.

[Kate!]

I'm confused by this thread title, is Nathan being humorous?

[Crimson Dynamo]

giggs, a man who shagged his own brother wife

what a guy