[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

So many voters do not want Ed Miliband as a PM
including Labour

i am not sure he will even make it to the Gen Election he is so bad

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kyle

They lied to me

they like a joke

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am not sure he will even make it to the Gen Election he is so bad

Yes could be

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

So many voters do not want Ed Miliband as a PM
including Labour

Personally I feel David would have been a much better choice. But despite not being totally keen on Ed, hes much better than the other (realistic) option.

[Kizzy]

Why does everyone say that? David left when he didn't secure the power seat and went to make money abroad

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Personally I feel David would have been a much better choice. But despite not being totally keen on Ed, hes much better than the other (realistic) option.

Absolutely he is.
Faced with the choice of 2 faced David Cameron,the failure who couldn't even secure an overall majority in the easiest likely general election ever to win against a govt. in massive trouble economically and a leader who made gaffe after gaffe.
What an example he is.

In fact too, when I heard george Osborne speaking on the news saying that in response to the local election results that,the Conservatives were now going to do what the public want them to.
I am not someone who likes to swear really but I nearly yelled '2 words' and the word 'then' after them at him.

Margaret Thatcher was miles behing James Callaghan as to popularity in 1979 and she won, Edward Heath was well behind Harold Wilson in 1970 and he won.
We elect a Govt, all but 1 constituency do not even get a vote for Ed Miliband or David Cameron, we elect a govt. a party to Govt.
We are not the USA and it is time we got away from our elections being more Presidential in my view.

I learned in my time at Uni and this last year in work I have been doing,there may well be people you don't really like at all but if they might be good at the task in hand then they deserve a chance.
David Cameron got his chance in 2010 and is the most arrogant, uncaring, incompetent politician thus far to hold the office of PM in my view.

The alternative of Ed Miliband may not appear to be any more appealing or appealing at all but he,in my view, should have his chance now too.
I hope Ed Miliband does take over from this heartless,discriminatory,(isn't it odd how 'tory' comes at the end of that word), and gutless PM to lead a govt. of his own which I hope will at the very least make compassion at the heart of its policies.

Whether I like Ed Miliband or not,if he sets out to achieve that he gets my full and unlimited support.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why does everyone say that? David left when he didn't secure the power seat and went to make money abroad

Hi Kizzy, I myself, and I wasn't a Labour supporter at the time of the leadership election,would not have chosen either Miliband as leader.

However, I can see why David left UK politics, he was a top flight and successful politician,he would not have been happy on the backbenches.
Had he accepted a post from Ed,the media would have been watching for any disagreement as to policy between them and highlighting it, detracting from the real job in hand of trying to win power or being in power.

Had he not accepted a post from Ed, then the media would have gone and on about him not forgiving his Brother for beating him in the leadership election.
I think he did the best thing by leaving UK politics and making sure both he and Ed along with the Labour party were not hounded by the media with this nonsense of friction between them as to the leadership.

The sad thing is, Ed could have done with David in his team,together they could have been a real likely strong force in politics,maybe it yet may still happen in time.

[smeagol]

not surprised. cameron is the worst since hitler. and millerband are just more posh cluless twats. no redeeming qualities about any of them. and their policies are fake and old fashioned and do not reflect our countrys needs.

Not keen on this ukip either. but i am glad things are being shaken up.but what we need is new party that is for the people and the country not any of these ones. they all suck

[arista]

[Aduk]

What an absolute disaster of a night for the Lib Dems, pipped by the Greens!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Clegg on Thursday gone saying that the Lib Dems were the only party to guarantee EU membership. They elected 1 MEP

what a joke

[arista]

Originally Posted by Aduk

What an absolute disaster of a night for the Lib Dems, pipped by the Greens!

Yes they are the party that backs Europe.


In France
the Woman Le Pen
beat them all


And in Greece
a Anti Europe Left Wing Party did well.


Germans Europe is hated by so many

[joeysteele]

I know UKIP will top this vote but in terms of votes cast,there is going to be only a small percentage difference between all 3 parties.
I don't think this says a great deal at all,certainly not for the 2015 general election anyway.

[Aduk]

The far-right Golden Dawn got 9% of the vote in third in Greece as well, while the far-right Jobbik party finished second in Hungary.

We're seeing a similar pattern across Europe of rejection of the establishment and the mainstream political parties need to act or we'll see more from these dangerous parties and their unsavoury policies.

I for one applaud the Lib Dems for sticking to their principles in the tide of anti-EU and elite rhetoric. The Liberals took a battering all across Europe, not just in this country.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I know UKIP will top this vote but in terms of votes cast,there is going to be only a small percentage difference between all 3 parties.
I don't think this says a great deal at all,certainly not for the 2015 general election anyway.

Farage says he can take seats there
and get Real MP's.

And the more Labour Keep Ed
the more UKIP will get


Time Will Tell

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Farage says he can take seats there
and get Real MP's.

And the more Labour Keep Ed
the more UKIP will get


Time Will Tell

I believe he can but look, he only got around 28% here in these so called marvellous,earthquake election results.
In the local elections he got 17%.
Sorry in advance, this is likely to be a long read.

The simple fact is in first past the post, UKIP will have to get over 24% of the votes to pick up parliamentary seats.
11 months from now, perhaps the love affair the media has with UKIP,will have subsided and for sure we will get much more of the Govt. and opposition on the screens in 2015.

Although I don't agree with one, I do think Ed Miliband should say, he will hold a referendum too.
It appears on the strength of these elections a good number of the Country,over a quarter at least do want one.

His promise of such a referendum will,in my view, be more credible than David Cameron's.
That in itself could dampen down the support for UKIP that is clearly there by anything from 14% to 25% of the voters depending on what election is being fought.

Being fair, Labour did enough in the local elections to just about win in 2015, they would certainly get a better result than David Cameron did in 2010 on those figures.
On these European results, actually the Conservatives have done pretty well as have Labour,it is odd how just over a lead of 1% is narrowlyy beating the Conservatives for Labour,then a lead of over 2/3% for UKIP over both Labour and Conservative is an amazing result.

Given the media exposure, time and incredibly foolish and amateurish platform that Nick Clegg gave to Nigel Farage it is hardly surprising that the anti EU section of the UK have brought about these results.

I make no secret of the fact, that I am an EU supporter,firmly and will always vote to stay in in any referendum.
I find it sad that the one thing I totally agree with the Lib Dems on, it is a message they cannot get across because the vast majority of voters no longer view them with any political credibility, myself included.

It does seem also that the voters don't really trust David Cameron on his referendum promise either, maybe they recall strongly his statement of no top down re-organsiation of the NHS.
Which he then did but since the voters cannot trust him on the NHS,I am scratching my head why they would trust UKIP, who would likely go much further down the NHS privatisation route than the Conservatives.

Perhaps had David Cameron started re-negotiations with the EU over this last year and now up to the 2015 election, rather than procrastinate for near 4 years,his referendum pledge may hold more strength.

Suppose David Cameron got a 10 overall majority,then he starts his so called re-negotiations for over the next 2 years plus.
It would not be beyond the realms of possibility that he could face several by-elections in that time and even lose them.
His majority could be gone, what then happens to that referendum bill for the actual day and month it could be held.

I know for almost sure.
We would get, he cannot hold the promised referendum because he hasn't the arithmetic to get it through parliament.
Which is why,in my view,in the interests of the Country as a whole, therefore the National interest, that a referendum bill needs agreement form both the main parties to ensure no minorites can stop it happening.

Had David Cameron and Ed Miliband worked together on this,as there are strong sceptics as to the EU in Labour too,then voters would have more likely believed it possible then.
Leadership should have been shown by David Cameron on that issue and not procrastination and desperation.

The more the EU is an issue at the forefront of the 2015 election the better UKIP will do,and although they will take votes from Labour, they aren't likely to be enough,I would say to stop Labour being the largest party and I do see a Labour/Lib Dem coalition likely in 2015 now.

These european elections have shown UKIP have the base to cause massive unpredictable results in 2015.
For me, the one sure thing is, these results and UKIP's position after them indicate more than ever that David Cameron's chances of any kind of overall majority are likely non existent.

Putting Europe at the heart of election campaigns usually fails badly.
Harold Wilson only scraped home in Oct.1974 with his EU referendum plan.
Willam Hague's disastrous EU save the pound campaign in 2001, had him called the leader of the dead parrot party.
Why we cannot reach a consensus on policy within the 2 main parties as to the EU is totally beyond me.

If that happened, there would be no need for the more extreme parties,(as to other policies),like UKIP.

[Livia]

Time to stop calling UKIP a protest party. They are a real threat to the General Election now, and unless the other parties want them to sweep to victory next year they have to get their heads out of their arses. I've said for a long time that they will want to try to forge a link with the Tories. I think now it's Tories who will want to forge a link with UKIP.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Time to stop calling UKIP a protest party. They are a real threat to the General Election now, and unless the other parties want them to sweep to victory next year they have to get their heads out of their arses. I've said for a long time that they will want to try to forge a link with the Tories. I think now it's Tories who will want to forge a link with UKIP.

Hmm, I think that may backfire although we are in uncertain and unpredictable territory.

UKIP needs to take and hold votes from Labour too,any pact,deal or link with the Conservatives would I think anyway drive any usual/past Labour voters back to Labour.
A sort of love for UKIP from disgruntled Labour and Lib Dem voters would not extend to a strong link by them with the Conservatives.
For the Conservatives what would UKIP also demand as part of such a deal.

Interesting to see what comes about and I may well be wrong but I see any reported deal/link/pact between the Conservatives and UKIP as weakness by the Conservatives and I think the voters would see it that way too.
Also of course UKIP want no time wasted on re-negotiations or reforms they just want 'out' of the EU.

A lot of my family are traditional Conservative voters,however they dislike UKIP with a passion,any deal with UKIP would see their votes going elsewhere,I am sure of that.

One thing is for certain Livia, the 2015 election doesn't look like being a dull one.

[Livia]

If the LibDems had no trouble forming a coalition with the Tories, I can't see it would be an enormous leap for UKIP.

Oh yes, Joey... 2015 is going to be very interesting. I have to say... I am so glad I'm not a part of it anymore! It felt quite strange not being at the count, strange but good LOL...

[joeysteele]

What is sad and I put the Conservatives as half and half as to the EU,I am sure a great many in the Conservative remain of the view that we are right to be a member of the EU.

This means that overall in an election where around at best 35% of voters bothered to vote that pro EU parties will have taken around 43% of the votes at present.
Excluding the Conservative votes.

Together at present,minus the Scottish votes, UKIP and Conservatives have around 51% of the votes cast from that around 35% turnout 'but' the Conservatives are not wholly anti EU.
Assuming then the Conservatives don't really go with the folly that coming out of the EU is the answer to all problems then where on earth on those figures does UKIP speak for the whole Nation.

That is why I think the Conservative party would do itself, and the UK as a whole, a massive 'reckless injustice' to band together with UKIP on this issue and it for sure doesn't need to be seen to be endorsing much of other UKIP policies too.
I think a coming together of Conservatives and Lib Dems, or Labour and Lib Dems is in fact a world away from any deal/pacts with UKIP.
However, the main parties have to see all that and respond 'responsibly' not play dangerous games with the future of the UK.

Lib Dems need to stop whining about mid term blues,(we are near the end of this govts. time in office,not halfway through) and apologise and set out to put right their massive betrayal of those who voted for them in 2010.
The Conservatives and Labour have to find separate or between them a rational and responsible policy towards the EU and immigration and stop allowing the demonising of both as the main reasons for any problems the UK has.

[Livia]

Great post joey.... joeysteele for Prime Minister. And EU President.

[Tom4784]

Oh Britain, you've disappointed me yet again.

[arista]

Scotland has 1 UKIP
same as Conservative

[arista]

we need all of these 4 in a Live TV debate
LBC/SkyNewsHD /BBC2HD

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

we need all of these 4 in a Live TV debate
LBC/SkyNewsHD /BBC2HD

Farage would win. The other three have been politicians too long, they twist and wriggle like a fish on a line, never answer a direct question and flim-flam rather than having the balls to give the answer they should be giving. Farage says what people want to hear. He's fearless and he's eloquent. It'd be a blood bath, we saw it with the Farage/Clegg debate.