[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Whats funny? Do you really think Farage is a man who can speak for the average man in the street? Now that's laughable.

In fact any footballer on 100k plus a week is still more in touch with the average man than Farage.

over 5 million people just voted for farage

what numbers have you got for barton?

15,000 at QPR?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

over 5 million people just voted for farage

what numbers have you got for barton?

15,000 at QPR?

Did they vote for Farage or did they like his policy of blaming others for their inadequacies?

He's a nice easy option for some people but he aint no voice of the people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Did they vote for Farage or did they like his policy of blaming others for their inadequacies?

They voted for a likeable skilful politician who understands the real concerns of people.

but that wont fit your left wing idealistic fairytale worldview so dont fight it

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They voted for a likeable skilful politician who understands the real concerns of people.

but that wont fit your left wing idealistic fairytale worldview so dont fight it

Likeable? That alone is debatable.

Real concerns? Dont make me laugh. He enables the public to blame others for their shortcomings..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Likeable? That alone is debatable.

Real concerns? Dont make me laugh. He enables the public to blame others for their shortcomings..

another Daily Mirror reader....

sigh

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

another Daily Mirror reader....

sigh

Never read the Mirror in my life mate. Try again.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The only people on this entire forum that find him likeable is you and Nedusa, doesn't that say a lot

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

The only people on this entire forum that find him likeable is you and Nedusa, doesn't that say a lot

The forum is principally young, non property owners, non kids, non voters - so that says plenty

[Livia]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Still not sexist.The exact same thing can be said about men.He was'nt comparing women to men or saying that women in general are somehow worth less than men.I agree with you on the stupid part though.

The exact same thing could be said about men, but that fact is, it wasn't. He didn't say women in general were worth less than men, he said women he doesn't consider attractive are worth less.

If he wants to be taken seriously, on a serious programme, he needs to think about the impact of what he's saying.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The forum is principally young, non property owners, non kids, non voters - so that says plenty

*cough cough*

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

*cough cough*

And daft old bats on their ride-on-mowers


happy now?

[joeysteele]

I think he may have learned again from this example that in this crazy politically correct country where you have to watch every single thing you say when in public, to maybe say people instead of just saying women in future.
I say again had he said 4 ugly men, no one would have batted an eyelid and anyone who got upset at him saying 4 ugly men would have probably been called petty and ridiculous.

Then again if someone doesn't like Joey Barton then the slightest thing he says that is in any way something to get at him for,so be it.

I still stand by my view that he talked a lot of sense on that programme and made that one error.
Hardly a hanging offence.

He is a controversial figure and many others have said far worse on that programme such as one 'more emminent' person who totally derided british soldiers for instance.
However whether I like someone or not,they will get a chance from me as to their views,which are the things that matter and Joey said a lot I agreed with on QT on thursday.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think he may have learned again from this example that in this crazy politically correct country where you have to watch every single thing you say when in public, to maybe say people instead of just saying women in future.
I say again had he said 4 ugly men, no one would have batted an eyelid and anyone who got upset at him saying 4 ugly men would have probably been called petty and ridiculous.

Then again if someone doesn't like Joey Barton then the slightest thing he says that is in any way something to get at him for,so be it.

I still stand by my view that he talked a lot of sense on that programme and made that one error.
Hardly a hanging offence.

He is a controversial figure and many others have said far worse on that programme such as one 'more emminent' person who totally derided british soldiers for instance.
However whether I like someone or not,they will get a chance from me as to their views,which are the things that matter and Joey said a lot I agreed with on QT on thursday.

Do you recall any "sense" that he talked?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you recall any "sense" that he talked?

Yes I do,actually, he pointed out the disillusionment there was with politicians and politics in general especially as to the young in the main, he was spot on with the younger voters going out and voting for the Lib Dems last time then being let down as to tuition fees.

I agreed with a lot he said about HEATHROW and the extra runway too,living in the flight path he had a valid point to make and frankly he made Piers Morgan seem silly by Piers saying he too lived in the flight path but he now mainly lived in the States.

He was right,in my view, to a lot of voters,likely ones who don't usually vote, UKIP did in the elections that were just held,come across as the best of a bad lot at that time.
I also agreed with him that it could be a different story when the general election comes in 2015 however.

He spoke in my view a great deal more sense than Piers Morgan for starters and for that matter David Willets and Margaret Curran.
Even on the Chilcott report too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And daft old bats on their ride-on-mowers


happy now?

Not happy, no. Far from it. Who would be happy being called daft and old when I'm neither.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

The exact same thing could be said about men, but that fact is, it wasn't. He didn't say women in general were worth less than men, he said women he doesn't consider attractive are worth less.

If he wants to be taken seriously, on a serious programme, he needs to think about the impact of what he's saying.

^Agreed with your last sentence.
Still not sexist though.I just don't like all these 'ists' and 'isms' being thrown around like candy,It's too easy to brand someone sexist or racist for comments which are not.That UKIP politician used it as a cheapshot imo because he was being derogatory about her party,That lady in the crowd more than likely would'nt have picked up on it if it was'nt used as against him by the UKIP politician.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

^Agreed with your last sentence.
Still not sexist though.I just don't like all these 'ists' and 'isms' being thrown around like candy,It's too easy to brand someone sexist or racist for comments which are not.That UKIP politician used it as a cheapshot imo because he was being derogatory about her party,That lady in the crowd more than likely would'nt have picked up on it if it was'nt used as against him by the UKIP politician.

Whether you consider it sexist or not is neither here nor there. You cannot tell people not to be offended because something doesn't offend you personally.

It's extraordinarily easy to say something is sexist when it actually is. Whether you like it not, whether you like 'isms' or 'ists', it was a clear cut case of someone making a sexist statement. If someone used an analogy like that where I work, their arse would be bounced out the door so far their head would spin.

The politician and the woman in the crowd would have had nothing to pick him up on if he hadn't given them the ammunition. And the woman in the audience said she had agreed with him up to that point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes I do,actually, he pointed out the disillusionment there was with politicians and politics in general especially as to the young in the main, he was spot on with the younger voters going out and voting for the Lib Dems last time then being let down as to tuition fees.

I agreed with a lot he said about HEATHROW and the extra runway too,living in the flight path he had a valid point to make and frankly he made Piers Morgan seem silly by Piers saying he too lived in the flight path but he now mainly lived in the States.

He was right,in my view, to a lot of voters,likely ones who don't usually vote, UKIP did in the elections that were just held,come across as the best of a bad lot at that time.
I also agreed with him that it could be a different story when the general election comes in 2015 however.

He spoke in my view a great deal more sense than Piers Morgan for starters and for that matter David Willets and Margaret Curran.
Even on the Chilcott report too.

his nimby comment about heathrow was quickly delt with and if you are comparing him with Morgan its hardly a good touchstone. His views were platitudes or obvious statements (the young dont vote, they are not engaged, the Lib Dems are sh1t?) - essentially he was schooled by the UKip lady.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

his nimby comment about heathrow was quickly delt with and if you are comparing him with Morgan its hardly a good touchstone. His views were platitudes or obvious statements (the young dont vote, they are not engaged, the Lib Dems are sh1t?) - essentially he was schooled by the UKip lady.

Let's put it this way, I agreed with a great deal he said,you didn't and never will so we go round in circles.

He was on the programme to give his views which he did and many other panellists over the series of programmes of QT state the obvious often far more experienced and political ones too.

I was fairly impressed with him on QT in comparison to many others who I am less impressed with on QT at times.

I don't agree with you as to how he came across on the programme or your perception of him either.
Likewise you fail to see any of my points I mention as to him even when I give a detailed answer to you, so I now, with the fullest respect to you, see no point in flogging a dead horse any longer with you on the issue.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

The only people on this entire forum that find him likeable is you and Nedusa, doesn't that say a lot

Doesn't say a lot for the people on this Forum then ?

[Kizzy]

The analogy was a bit off and ill thought out but suggesting someone is 'ist' due to one rude comment is maybe OTT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Paul Hayward, chief sports writer for The Telegraph wrote that Barton "manages to be patronised [by the media] and held up as some kind of exemplar all at once ... he is skilled at tricking us into watching him veer between the extremes of thinker and thug. Either this is a repudiation of societal hypocrisy or, more likely, indicative of a sociopathic tendency."

[Marc]

Originally Posted by arista

His face says it all

[Kizzy]

I think his hair says it all