[Z]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

At least they'll have found her and be able to put all this "hope she's alive" stuff to bed.

If they can even confirm it's her, I don't know how badly a body would have decomposed if it's spent 7 summers in the baking Portuguese sunshine and who knows what kind of conditions throughout the rest of the year - then again if it's been buried in a scrubland then perhaps it's not too badly decomposed? I'm no expert. 7 years is a very long time though, if that little girl died in 2007 and the body's been there for all that time then I would question why they didn't search the area until now... yet another thread that leads to conspiracy land.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Z

If they can even confirm it's her, I don't know how badly a body would have decomposed if it's spent 7 summers in the baking Portuguese sunshine and who knows what kind of conditions throughout the rest of the year - then again if it's been buried in a scrubland then perhaps it's not too badly decomposed? I'm no expert. 7 years is a very long time though, if that little girl died in 2007 and the body's been there for all that time then I would question why they didn't search the area until now... yet another thread that leads to conspiracy land.

Lots of reasons why not searched until now Z ,and as far as Im aware the dna would still be intact as would drugs etc

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Z

If they can even confirm it's her, I don't know how badly a body would have decomposed if it's spent 7 summers in the baking Portuguese sunshine and who knows what kind of conditions throughout the rest of the year - then again if it's been buried in a scrubland then perhaps it's not too badly decomposed? I'm no expert. 7 years is a very long time though, if that little girl died in 2007 and the body's been there for all that time then I would question why they didn't search the area until now... yet another thread that leads to conspiracy land.

I'm sure some kind of DNA can be taken from bones/whatever's left.

I'm not a CSI expert but I'm sure there's some method of determining whether any remains belong to Madeleine.

[Kazanne]

Anyone watching the McCanns con man prog on channel 5

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Z

If they can even confirm it's her, I don't know how badly a body would have decomposed if it's spent 7 summers in the baking Portuguese sunshine and who knows what kind of conditions throughout the rest of the year - then again if it's been buried in a scrubland then perhaps it's not too badly decomposed? I'm no expert. 7 years is a very long time though, if that little girl died in 2007 and the body's been there for all that time then I would question why they didn't search the area until now... yet another thread that leads to conspiracy land.

They managed to prove the bones they dug up in Leicester were the bones of Richard III using DNA.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Police files are available for all to read, i suggest you do that because you truly do not know what you are talking about

I don't pretend to know. I guess that's the difference.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Anyone watching the McCanns con man prog on channel 5

I am, idgi though, is the guy they hired not actually a secret service agent or whatever it was, why was he at the White House and stuff

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Anyone watching the McCanns con man prog on channel 5

Not for me too much propaganda rammed down the gullible publics necks for last 7 years

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I am, idgi though, is the guy they hired not actually a secret service agent or whatever it was, why was he at the White House and stuff

Well I watched all that Smithy and was no wiser at the end,all I can gather is he was supposed to be a hot shot tec,who conned loads of money from the McCann fund,still not sure though

[letmein]

So the parents still haven't been sent to jail for killing their kid...

[Kizzy]

I think the original question was would they be able to assess how she died and what if any abuse occurred prior to death, not if the body could be confirmed as her at all..
I can't understand why it's so alien to understand why this wouldn't be debated in a news section of a discussion forum, nobody is an expert on the subject here are they?

[Marsh.]

But surely confirming whether the body is Madeleine (if they find one) at all is the first priority?

[Kizzy]

Oh yes naturally, but confirming any exact cause now is going to be very hard
but they can do amazing things now so if they do find her I hope that there can be justice for her.
I totally agree with your point on neglect too, it was inexcusable and however bad I feel for them as a parent myself it was a shockingly selfish act considering how distressed she had been previously having been left

[Marsh.]

I hope justice is finally served too, for whatever happened to her.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I watched all that Smithy and was no wiser at the end,all I can gather is he was supposed to be a hot shot tec,who conned loads of money from the McCann fund,still not sure though

He was part of a company ,whos only history was in money laundering, not missing children, McCanns handed over £700,000 of the money donated by children selling their toys and pensioners, why would they do that ? not once have they tried to get the money back ,why ? what did this firm find out? was it hush money ? this company was the ones that got the efit now being used by Scotland Yard as the best efit from an Irish family Smith who also named the man they saw as being Gerry McCann, McCann knew of these efits and threatened the company never to show them, they sat on them for 5 years (no stone unturned ?) and it was SY who found out about them ,when the company finally handed them over 5 years later

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He was part of a company ,whos only history was in money laundering, not missing children, McCanns handed over £700,000 of the money donated by children selling their toys and pensioners, why would they do that ? not once have they tried to get the money back ,why ? what did this firm find out? was it hush money ? this company was the ones that got the efit now being used by Scotland Yard as the best efit from an Irish family Smith who also named the man they saw as being Gerry McCann, McCann knew of these efits and threatened the company never to show them, they sat on them for 5 years (no stone unturned ?) and it was SY who found out about them ,when the company finally handed them over 5 years later

Thanks for explaining that Chuff,it's certainly food for thought,everything about this case is bloody shady.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He was part of a company ,whos only history was in money laundering, not missing children, McCanns handed over £700,000 of the money donated by children selling their toys and pensioners, why would they do that ? not once have they tried to get the money back ,why ? what did this firm find out? was it hush money ? this company was the ones that got the efit now being used by Scotland Yard as the best efit from an Irish family Smith who also named the man they saw as being Gerry McCann, McCann knew of these efits and threatened the company never to show them, they sat on them for 5 years (no stone unturned ?) and it was SY who found out about them ,when the company finally handed them over 5 years later

I didn't know about this....like I said in my earlier post there is information that is being witheld or hidden from the public (at all costs).

Would love this story to be blown wide open with fresh new evidence so the real truth of what happened that night can finally come to light.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I didn't know about this....like I said in my earlier post there is information that is being witheld or hidden from the public (at all costs).

Would love this story to be blown wide open with fresh new evidence so the real truth of what happened that night can finally come to light.

There is nothing of the real truth in Uk press, they are sanitizing it ot make the McCanns look innocent and victims ,they are far from that

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

There is nothing of the real truth in Uk press, they are sanitising it ot make the McCann look innocent and victims ,they are far from that

I think the truth will come out, sooner or later. Whatever that is.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

There is nothing of the real truth in Uk press, they are sanitising it ot make the McCann look innocent and victims ,they are far from that

But why would the press do that though? Surely it would sell more papers if they could prove these conspiracy theories. (I'm not doubting your points her by the way Chuff, I just don't understand what possible hold the McCanns could have over the press and media if there is another possible news story that could easily be uncovered). They don't tend to dilute stories as a rule

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I didn't know about this....like I said in my earlier post there is information that is being witheld or hidden from the public (at all costs).

Would love this story to be blown wide open with fresh new evidence so the real truth of what happened that night can finally come to light.

I think this whole case has really rotten smell to it, it goes out of the headlines then as sure as hens lay eggs,it comes back into the headlines again.
Usually however, with the scent off in all directions and one after another of goose chases being played out.

Whatever the whole story is as to this,I think, so many likely smokescreens have been the norm and loads of confusion set in place that to ever get to the bottom of it and more to the point solve anything as to it, will now be near impossible.

As I said in an earlier post, over the years here on tibb,I have been persuaded by Chuff's take on this, she seems to have really delved deep into it and comes up with what may unfortunately be the only possible take on this in the end.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

But why would the press do that though? Surely it would sell more papers if they could prove these conspiracy theories. (I'm not doubting your points her by the way Chuff, I just don't understand what possible hold the McCanns could have over the press and media if there is another possible news story that could easily be uncovered). They don't tend to dilute stories as a rule

Its so deep Annie,and so hard to explain ,but they ARE getting protection and have done from the first few days ,Gordon Brown sent his spokesman over to Pdl within days to cover their backs and hes been doing this job ever since, its a deep and very dirty case ,IF (and I dont think it ever will) this case ever does crack open it will be seen as the crime of the decade,with so many involved

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its so deep Annie,and so hard to explain ,but they ARE getting protection and have done from the first few days ,Gordon Brown sent his spokesman over to Pdl within days to cover their backs and hes been doing this job ever since, its a deep and very dirty case ,IF (and I dont think it ever will) this case ever does crack open it will be seen as the crime of the decade,with so many involved

So do you not think that we will ever get a conclusion to the case, one way or the other?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think this whole case has really rotten smell to it, it goes out of the headlines then as sure as hens lay eggs,it comes back into the headlines again.
Usually however, with the scent off in all directions and one after another of goose chases being played out.

Whatever the whole story is as to this,I think, so many likely smokescreens have been the norm and loads of confusion set in place that to ever get to the bottom of it and more to the point solve anything as to it, will now be near impossible.

As I said in an earlier post, over the years here on tibb,I have been persuaded by Chuff's take on this, she seems to have really delved deep into it and comes up with what may unfortunately be the only possible take on this in the end.

Joey Ive been on Maddie groups for nearly 7 years ,and have read all police files ,theres a lot of things I dont know a lot about, but this is one thing I do know about ,this case is as big and dirty as the Saville case, which was another case covered up by men in grey suits for decades ,even though people believed him to be a St ,he was proven to be the devil

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

So do you not think that we will ever get a conclusion to the case, one way or the other?

In a word .....No ,not a hope in hell ,all this media hype about the dig ,is all a load of BS, made to convince the taxpayer that the £10m of our money is being used wisely, I tell you my opinion ( and hundreds of peoples in various groups Im in )The Uk police will point the finger at a dead man,make it as watertight as possible and that will be it ,case closed, and its a sin,Maddie is long forgotten