[Josy]

That's awful.

Also what if kid falls on them?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

That's awful.

Also what if kid falls on them?

They will be fine
they are not pointed

[Josy]

Originally Posted by arista

They will be fine
they are not pointed

Get real. If a kid or anyone for that matter falls on them it's going to hurt.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

Get real. If a kid or anyone for that matter falls on them it's going to hurt.

Yes but not killed

[Kizzy]

I don't want to say I hope they do obviously but I hope that if it happened there is some action taken, they could cause some really serious injury those things.

[Marsh.]

I'm going to buy them a ****ing thick mattress.

[Vicky.]

God forbid someone down on their luck wants a bit of shelter eh...

[joeysteele]

The homeless are easy targets, they have no status and get demonised left,right and centre.
When you see how a so called responsible elected Govt. treats them, it is then hardly surprising following that shocking example as to this present govt. that a good few people think they can do anything against them.

Easy to attack those at the bottom but for me such treatment is gross and immoral.

[Marsh.]

It's not as if the studs would stop them using it as a bog if they wanted anyway.

What are the studs doing to prevent anyone pissing on them?

[Kizzy]

BOG

Are you happy now?!

[Josy]

Bog standard reply expected from Arista

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Bog standard reply expected from Arista

Boom

[arista]

Live on LBC Radio

Nic just said you do not want a Homeless person urinating before
they move on, just as you come out of your flat, in the morning.

See Kizzy
The Bog Issue is Live

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Live on LBC Radio

Nic just said you do not want a Homeless person urinating before
they move on, just as you come out of your flat, in the morning.

See Kizzy
The Bog Issue is Live

Leading Britains conversation? Well their not leading mine! they can take their 'new right' agenda and BOG OFF!

[user104658]

It shouldn't even be an issue - no one should have to sleep in a doorway in the first place. It really is a disgrace. Nowhere near enough provision is made for basic accommodation... I mean, they could even build a warehouse and fill it with nothing but beds (and a "bog"...) and it least it would offer a soft place to lie down out of the rain.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It shouldn't even be an issue - no one should have to sleep in a doorway in the first place. It really is a disgrace. Nowhere near enough provision is made for basic accommodation... I mean, they could even build a warehouse and fill it with nothing but beds (and a "bog"...) and it least it would offer a soft place to lie down out of the rain.

..exactly, that's the issue really..no there shouldn't be people sleeping in doorways at all because the homeless should be provided with a basic shelter/food/toilet facilities etc..it's ridiculous that they aren't and rather than missing the point completely and putting spikes down, the money it cost could have gone toward thinking about actually helping with that...

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..exactly, that's the issue really..no there shouldn't be people sleeping in doorways at all because the homeless should be provided with a basic shelter/food/toilet facilities etc..it's ridiculous that they aren't and rather than missing the point completely and putting spikes down, the money it cost could have gone toward thinking about actually helping with that...

I agree......the idea that all homeless people are lazy idle workshy dropouts simply isn't true people become homeless for a variety of reasons, some have mental health or health issues others drug and alcohol addictions.

Many are victims of abuse or ex-con's who cannot get any sort of work.

There are many reasons why people slip through the safety net and end up on the streets. As a caring society we need to do more, to offer more to help these people. we should have far more shelters and homeless Hostels and other schemes that can offer an escape from such a humiliating existance.

We are supposed to be the 4th or 5th largest economy in the world so instead to giving hundreds of millions of pounds away to third world countries with space programs perhaps that money would be better suited to helping the poor and homeless in this country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes but lets stick to reality

companies dont want homeless sleeping in their doorways, just as you or i would not like one in our doorways. They are doing something to alleviate the problem. fact

the social issue is irrelevant

[Ammi]

..it isn't irrelevant, it's even more relevant when it's a company as opposed to a private residence because they obviously had resources spare to do the spikes which could have been used to properly alleviate what they feel is a problem ..so the spikes mean that those homeless people will just move to another company who don't have spikes in their doorways..?...will they all just put spikes in..that's a real solution/well thought out...

[Ammi]

..also if someone falls/trips into that doorway and is hurt on those spikes, their reality will be a very real liability...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..also if someone falls/trips into that doorway and is hurt on those spikes, their reality will be a very real liability...

I was thinking that. Arista's "but they probably wouldn't die because the spikes aren't sharp" argument probably wouldn't hold up in court...

Meh. If I was homeless and desperate, I'd just go and headbutt one, then claim compensation from whoever put them in. They are an obvious trip hazard, if nothing else, and then when you DO trip, it's on top of metal studs! Fun!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I was thinking that. Arista's "but they probably wouldn't die because the spikes aren't sharp" argument probably wouldn't hold up in court...

Meh. If I was homeless and desperate, I'd just go and headbutt one, then claim compensation from whoever put them in. They are an obvious trip hazard, if nothing else, and then when you DO trip, it's on top of metal studs! Fun!

..it's also a bit like how far do you go..?...maybe mantraps..?..yeah, however annoying or however much of a problem it may be to them, these are not solutions..and that's the reality of it...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I was thinking that. Arista's "but they probably wouldn't die because the spikes aren't sharp" argument probably wouldn't hold up in court...

Meh. If I was homeless and desperate, I'd just go and headbutt one, then claim compensation from whoever put them in. They are an obvious trip hazard, if nothing else, and then when you DO trip, it's on top of metal studs! Fun!

they would Section you

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it isn't irrelevant, it's even more relevant when it's a company as opposed to a private residence because they obviously had resources spare to do the spikes which could have been used to properly alleviate what they feel is a problem ..so the spikes mean that those homeless people will just move to another company who don't have spikes in their doorways..?...will they all just put spikes in..that's a real solution/well thought out...

why do they care, they are protecting their business. when you install an alarm on your house you dont think "oh, maybe the burglar will move on to Mrs Baggins down the street who has not got an alarm"

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why do they care, they are protecting their business. when you install an alarm on your house you dont think "oh, maybe the burglar will move on to Mrs Baggins down the street who has not got an alarm"

..no they don't care, I think that's quite obvious..they've gone to an expense as to not care and the not caring over issues like this is part of what makes them problems in the first place..and there is a huge difference between installing an alarm in your home to deter someone from entering with a negative intent to take your property but that doesn't actually harm anyone as opposed to installing something quite dangerous as they have...tbh I don't see the analogy at all..or another analogy that could be used is how would someone feel who thought the spikes were ok for 'there purpose' if then their child tripped forward onto them and was badly injured..