[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kefln

First of all you have to take a look at Helen’s track record. Who has she argued with before?

Jale, Christopher, Danielle and Matthew. All these people, at one point or another, where outsiders. Most of these “fights” took place when she had alcohol taken, or when she was in a position of power, surrounded by her friends.

The most important thing here is to kill this myth that Helen always confronts those that she is bitching about, which is what a lot of people claim when comparing her to Ashleigh. Its not true. She picks her fights.

For a couple of weeks the house was split between Helen side and Toya’s side. Was there a confrontation? Was there hell. Where was Helen when the fight broke out between Toya and the lads? She was nowhere. She waited for a day or two and then tackled…Matthew. Far easier target.

Helen also had a few problems with Chris. Where was the argument? Where was the upfront Helen? Nowhere. Danielle threw Chris under the bus by telling Helen and the rest that he believed that he was smarter than the rest of them, that they kind of bored him. Why didn’t the “tell it like it is” Helen say something to him? Could it be that Chris has been regularly cheered, and saved, by the audience?

Helen picks her fights.

For the last couple of weeks Ashleigh has been a regular bitching point for Helen and the gang. But there was no confrontation. Even after the morgue where they got all worked up over some video, once they came out, nothing. Helen talked a big game, but said squat to Ashleigh.

Fast forward a couple of days and Ashleigh gets a bad reaction from the audience. Helen gets another clip played for her. What happens? War breaks out. Unlike Chris, Ashleigh isn’t protected by popularity. Does Helen take her aside? No, it’s done right there, in public, with the likes of Ash to give her the moral support she needs. Helen doesn’t do face to face.

Jale did face to face. Much harder. And its not the first time that she’s done that.

But going back to the fight, there were a couple differences from the norm on last nights HLS. The first was Ashleigh reaction, she didn’t get riled. And although it wasn’t shown on the HLS, I believe she was able to bite back. Secondly, both Mark and Winston stepped in. Not to defend Ashleigh, but to contain the situation. And so Helen reverted to bitching in the corner again.

That’s Helen summed up. She’ll only go for someone if she perceives them as weak. Up until last Friday she had no idea where Ashleigh stood, so there was no confrontation. Then there was…

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...felt intimidated by Ashleigh's confidence and ability of being able to put a point across in an intellectual way.
Helens only ability to have an argument is to get personal...name call...swear...and anyone who goes against her needs to 'shut the **** up'...so it all comes down to lack of education...she feels inferior...she IS inferior...

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[Verbal]

God it really is time you Ashleigh apologists bored off

Would not suprise me if Helen won this show, she is gaining in popularity every single day

When Ashleigh is gone you will all see how deserving she is of the title

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...felt intimidated by Ashleigh's confidence and ability of being able to put a point across in an intellectual way.
Helens only ability to have an argument is to get personal...name call...swear...and anyone who goes against her needs to 'shut the **** up'...so it all comes down to lack of education...she feels inferior...she IS inferior...

And if you watch Big Brother waiting for someone to be intellectual (Which Ashleigh is not), then you are more messed up than the pair of them put together.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by wannashag

If Helen had have watched those clips of Ashleigh by herself she wouldn't have said a thing to Ashleigh. But because Kim and Jale were there she had to say something to prove her power as top dog, and it just so happens that she had to do it in front of all her army.

Helen as been wary of Ashleigh from the very start, she knows she wouldn't back down to her and bullies don't like that. She used the excuse of "I'm not arguing with an 18 year old" to avoid Ashleigh.

Ashleigh was bricking it and so she should have been with an older woman shouting at her, but if you cant take it, then dont dish it out, she has sat around in that skanky dressing gown for weeks slagging everyone off and now its come back to bite her on the arse, the first thing she did after the row, was start slagging people off again

And for Helen to have been avoiding Ashleigh, she would have had to notice that she was there, which Helen didnt until the morgue task!

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Verbal

God it really is time you Ashleigh apologists bored off

Would not suprise me if Helen won this show, she is gaining in popularity every single day

When Ashleigh is gone you will all see how deserving she is of the title

Well said Verbal, she's a boring gossiping bitch and I cant wait to see the back of that spot-filled miserable mush!

[Marsh.]

Ashleigh put her point across in an intellectual way?

Responding to someone throwing what you've done in your face to say "awwww, really Helen" "I don't care" "You're embarrassing yourself" is not getting any point across intellectually.

It's childishly ignoring and denying what you've done and trying to throw something back at Helen.

Saying "awwww" and going bright red in the face whilst struggling for an actual response is not intellectual.

Yeah, Helen was the only one using silly swearwords to get her point across. Ashleigh would never do such a thing.