[erinp5]

11.28pm: Ashleigh and Chris are explaining themselves to Ash. He seems to be buying their reasoning

[jackc1806]

How embarrassing is this omg

[jet]

Originally Posted by wannashag

What a gentleman Ash is, sly worm.

The gentlemanly thing to have done would have been to save the one female. He's like the Billy Zane character in Titanic, he'd take the last lifeboat for himself.

He's a Maggot

I was just beginning to warm to him a bit, but this has put me right off again. He just stood there like the little worm that he is and said 'Are you sure' 'Are you sure'. So damn pathetic. He should at least have protested a BIT instead of pretending to be all concerned for the others yet saying *uck all but 'Are you sure'!

[Josy]

Why should he protest against being saved?

[Vicky.]

Its a game, they are all out for themselves. And I dont think being female is any reason to be saved either tbh

[Josy]

If I had been up for what 5/6 weeks in a row? no chance I would protest against being saved, stuff that, it's a gameshow...

[sampvt]

Is it only a game when Ashleigh and Mark are playing or can the others join in. Ash has done nothing wrong so why not want to be saved so he can stay with the bird for a bit longer. I mean who the hell wants to go home this late in the show except Ashleigh. Oh sorry i forgot she only wants to go home when she isnt up. My mistake.

[VanessaFeltz.]

So it is

Core 5 alliance:

Helen, Ash, Winston, Mark and Steven

Ashleigh's group:

Chris, Christopher and Ashleigh

Bottom 2:

Pav and Zoe

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

complaint@whocares.readatthechannel5xmasparty.com

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by Novo

Imagine if Steven somehow stayed over Ashleigh now

Will be better than Toya going and Matthew going combined

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by MelihV

So it is

Core 5 alliance:

Helen, Ash, Winston, Mark and Steven

Ashleigh's group:

Chris, Christopher and Ashleigh

Bottom 2:

Pav and Zoe

I think 'bottom 2' and Ashleigh's group will merge

So much more intelligence in that allegiance, and I can't see Winston attacking anybody unless they have a go at him (unlikely). Steven will be gone friday, so it could end up 5v3 in the divide, Helen's always had numbers on her side as well.

I hope Winston ends up drifting into Ashleighs group at some point too, because he clearly likes them all.

[Kizzy]

Getting sooo bored of this blatent manipulation of nominations

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

I was just beginning to warm to him a bit, but this has put me right off again. He just stood there like the little worm that he is and said 'Are you sure' 'Are you sure'. So damn pathetic. He should at least have protested a BIT instead of pretending to be all concerned for the others yet saying *uck all but 'Are you sure'!

..you know I'm not a fan of Ash but to be fair, the fact that he didn't protest doesn't really bother me because every single one of them is a gameplayer, they're not chosen for their fine qualities or because they're great self-sacrificing people, if they were that, all that would happen is a house full of people saying...oh, you save yourself..no you do..no you, I insist...aww, are you sure..?...that's so nice of you....you know what I mean, and how long would we want to watch that for...I think it's more and not just with Ash but I general, how they all play their games..(and we decide which of the games are least offensive/we prefer most..)....and yet, Marlon was blasted and judged so much for playing his game and seeking survival with the buzzer thing...I think as it goes on and with this series, it has to be more about avoiding nomination because the crowd reactions have been so mixed so you can be booed one week/cheered the next/booed again etc so no one can feel 'safe and favourite/popular' because the HL edits change so much from week to week and therefore the crowd reactions to them..so I think at least Ash showed a reaction that was honest..to have said ...to have said, oh don't choose me guys, I really don't mind being up a 7th time, one of you be saved instead would have just been plain dumb....

..Helen was just as irritating as ever though with her...'oh we were having such a great week..tut tut you three...' attitude though because they were also playing the game, what were they meant to do..?..what would she have done if given the power, refuse to chose people..?...and as if she holds such store on them all getting along and being a 'happy house' with how she behaves...


..anyway, every single housemate has showed double standards at one time or another/it's ok if something suits their agenda/it's not and they kick off if it doesn't and probably the same for most fans as well because it's the confusion/conflict between 'fine qualities' and 'gameplay', when really it's mostly game-play and not one single one of them should be criticised for doing that or wanting to survive....for me, it was only ever through the 'everyday' chats/interactions etc we used to get with livefeed that we were able to have any insight into their actual characters and how some of those finer qualities would emerge because 'gameplay masks' would slip under that closer scrutiny...but with HLs all we ever get now is gameplayers and not 'real'/whole people.....


..I think I've drastically gone off topic.....but yeah, whether I like Ash or not, I don't blame him for accepting his immunity this week so readily ..I just wished they had showed more understanding to Marlon/still smarting over the unfairness of his eviction and how he was made to feel in the week before he went....

[Cherie]

How many weeks are we in now and the public still not getting that having the power is a curse, if normal noms next week and Ashleigh stays it will be Ashleigh v Chris v Mark, vote Ash or Winston for PH next time please

[Nedusa]

What a complete and utter load of f ucked up bulls hit this programme has become.

Constant meddling with the format, twists on twists so that the public have no say in trying to keep HM safe from eviction.

This programme is in the toilet bowl, someone needs to flush this crap away...

[Kate!]

Ammi

[Blue Cadillac]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

What a complete and utter load of f ucked up bulls hit this programme has become.

Constant meddling with the format, twists on twists so that the public have no say in trying to keep HM safe from eviction.

This programme is in the toilet bowl, someone needs to flush this crap away...

Spot on. It's become so predictable. What a shambles.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

The production want Mark to win. Ashleigh was getting to popular. Hence this unannounced twist.

Good point we all know that what is shown (or not) can have a huge influence on each HM chance.I suspect that if challenged the producers would claim they are completely fair and un biased and how could we as viewers prove otherwise.?

Has there ever been an ex employee of the show who has blown the whistle and exposed what really goes on.? The show needs the viewers to pay to vote but those who start to feel mugged off may be less inclined to continue doing so.

[mrflibble]

If they want Mark to win this has probably backfired after his behaviour as PH. I still kind of like Mark but don't have much respect for him anymore.

[Marc]

Helen seems to think anybody who nominates her buddies is a dick head/back stabber. Does she not know how the show works?

This twist was always going to be bad for Ashleigh