Nice to see a fairly open discussion without too many thralls deciding to fog the discussion with their emotional attachment to power structures.
Fact is, however, that this discussion doesn't really point in quite the right direction. The problem here is that people obsess over the occult and conspiratorial side of the political spectrum, without any way of truly knowing or verifying their claims. Furthermore, it is almost impossible to sway people with the 'argument from conspiracy'. It just triggers too many conditioned negative responses.
Have a try with looking at it all from a different angle, whoever's reading this:
I assume you would agree that using violence against somebody is wrong, yes? Ok in self defence, sure, but not in an offensive capacity.
Now, if someone were to come to your door or send you a letter and demand that you hand over a large sum of money to them or they will kidnap you and place you in a small cage-like room; and worse yet shoot you if you resist against them as intruders when they come to take you away... This would obviously be an egregious crime. Oh yeah, this same criminal syndicate also stole 12 years of your childhood for the purpose of propagandising you so that you approve of what they do. Oh. And they sent thousands of people to kill thousands-millions of
other people in another part of the world... Which they used your stolen livelihood to fund.
Beginning to sound familiar?
Government is an institution which reserves the right to use force against its subjects and desecrate their property rights within a geographical area.
As some guy once said... "When your ideology is threatened by non violence, then there's something wrong with it."
To answer yes to the questions I asked and to recoil from the subsequent observations is to be hypocritical, and lack integrity. Nothing wrong with that per se, but it should be recognised.
Conspiracies are unnecessary because
1: They are impossible to prove
2: They hold too much stigma to help
3: All speculative groups and cults require the gun of the government, without which they are absolutely nothing and could not exist. The 'illuminati' if they exist are nothing more than psychopathic freeriders on the armoured saddle of the state. Take away that big stallion and all the spikey armour and all you're left with a bunch of pathetic frail old men with a weird hobby.
So, if you find conspiracies are leading you down a sort of never-ending rabbit hole and making you feel very hostile about the world and not sure what to believe, drop them and go for the logical arguments of philosophy. The morality we mostly base our lives around is the ultimate scientific expression of philosophy and some of the greatest thinkers the world over.
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Originally Posted by AEC
I believe in the real GOD - not the man-made biblical god,because the so-called holy bible and its god have been proven to be false.
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You have very little 'right' to claim that everybody else here is wrong based on their lack of empirical evidence because you have just admitted that you believe in one of the least empirical mythologies ever fabricated.
Ash,
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