[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't hate her,i don't hate any housemate ever ,the closest I got to that was John James aka crab eyes,I wouldn't invest any of my time or feelings that deeply to any of them I don't know them,but from what I have seen,I don't like her and yes I am enjoying the many debates,keep them coming.

I still love the crab eyes as to John James.

I agree with Marsh, without Helen it is much more probable that Ashleigh would have had no major storyline whatsoever,she would have likely stayed in the background most of the time and gone in one of the weeks she was up.

She has actually also herself had 2 immune weeks to as to being nominated for eviction so she too will have got to the final with help also, and in one of those immune weeks, the all female power week, she could have gone then as it was around the time of her loud boos.

Had Helen not had the free pass,it may well have been she would have been up some weeks but not all,without the free pass the public may have viewed her differently too and possibly not voted her out anyway,depending on who she was up against.

I do think however,the free pass,is what in the main will have been a major effect on Helen not doing any better than 4th or 5th in the final and I expect Ashleigh to come 3rd.
However, I have said it many times,Ashleigh would have had no real storyline of note without her intense dislike of Helen, whereas Helen has had many storylines with different housemates.

By the way Kazanne,as to somehting you said earlier, I cannot in any way imagine you being a b...h at all,if you ever were then I bet it was the better kind however and not the 2 faced type of one that Asheigh has shown herself to be throughout the series overall.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I still love the crab eyes as to John James.

I agree with Marsh, without Helen it is much more probable that Ashleigh would have had no major storyline whatsoever,she would have likely stayed in the background most of the time and gone in one of the weeks she was up.

She has actually also herself had 2 immune weeks to as to being nominated for eviction so she too will have got to the final with help also, and in one of those immune weeks, the all female power week, she could have gone then as it was around the time of her loud boos.

Had Helen not had the free pass,it may well have been she would have been up some weeks but not all,without the free pass the public may have viewed her differently too and possibly not voted her out anyway,depending on who she was up against.

I do think however,the free pass,is what in the main will have been a major effect on Helen not doing any better than 4th or 5th in the final and I expect Ashleigh to come 3rd.
However, I have said it many times,Ashleigh would have had no real storyline of note without her intense dislike of Helen, whereas Helen has had many storylines with different housemates.

By the way Kazanne,as to somehting you said earlier, I cannot in any way imagine you being a b...h at all,if you ever were then I bet it was the better kind however and not the 2 faced type of one that Asheigh has shown herself to be throughout the series overall.

LOL Joey,great post again as for the bitch comment,I am more of a Helen bitch than a two faced one.and agree Ashleigh would have had nothing if Helen hadn't have fed her a back story.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I still love the crab eyes as to John James.

I agree with Marsh, without Helen it is much more probable that Ashleigh would have had no major storyline whatsoever,she would have likely stayed in the background most of the time and gone in one of the weeks she was up.

She has actually also herself had 2 immune weeks to as to being nominated for eviction so she too will have got to the final with help also, and in one of those immune weeks, the all female power week, she could have gone then as it was around the time of her loud boos.

Had Helen not had the free pass,it may well have been she would have been up some weeks but not all,without the free pass the public may have viewed her differently too and possibly not voted her out anyway,depending on who she was up against.

I do think however,the free pass,is what in the main will have been a major effect on Helen not doing any better than 4th or 5th in the final and I expect Ashleigh to come 3rd.
However, I have said it many times,Ashleigh would have had no real storyline of note without her intense dislike of Helen, whereas Helen has had many storylines with different housemates.

By the way Kazanne,as to somehting you said earlier, I cannot in any way imagine you being a b...h at all,if you ever were then I bet it was the better kind however and not the 2 faced type of one that Asheigh has shown herself to be throughout the series overall.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I still love the crab eyes as to John James.

I agree with Marsh, without Helen it is much more probable that Ashleigh would have had no major storyline whatsoever,she would have likely stayed in the background most of the time and gone in one of the weeks she was up.

She has actually also herself had 2 immune weeks to as to being nominated for eviction so she too will have got to the final with help also, and in one of those immune weeks, the all female power week, she could have gone then as it was around the time of her loud boos.

Had Helen not had the free pass,it may well have been she would have been up some weeks but not all,without the free pass the public may have viewed her differently too and possibly not voted her out anyway,depending on who she was up against.

I do think however,the free pass,is what in the main will have been a major effect on Helen not doing any better than 4th or 5th in the final and I expect Ashleigh to come 3rd.
However, I have said it many times,Ashleigh would have had no real storyline of note without her intense dislike of Helen, whereas Helen has had many storylines with different housemates.

By the way Kazanne,as to somehting you said earlier, I cannot in any way imagine you being a b...h at all,if you ever were then I bet it was the better kind however and not the 2 faced type of one that Asheigh has shown herself to be throughout the series overall.

You say Ashleigh wouldn't have any storylines of note without her 'hatred' of Helen, but you fail to point out that 'all Helen's storylines with different HM's' of note have been nasty ones. Her bullying of Jale, her nasty treatment of Chris and Christopher, her nasty arguments with Matthew, Danielle etc. Her warnings for name calling and bullying. What storyline has she had that hasn't included nastiness? Kissing Ash?
I don't see continuous nastiness and bullying as noteworthy at all...and I certainly don't see Ashleigh bitching about that nastiness and bullying as 'two faced' as you seem to because she wasn't being nice to Helen's face and she was saying what the majority of us were saying. What is your definition of two faced?

And the fact is, you can't possibly know what kind of storylines Ashleigh or any of them would have had without the presence of the awful Helen, especially in the early weeks. I don't forget how the HM's said the house was much better and they enjoyed it more when she was in the morgue....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

You say Ashleigh wouldn't have any storylines of note without her 'hatred' of Helen, but you fail to point out that 'all Helen's storylines with different HM's' of note have been nasty ones. Her bullying of Jale, her nasty treatment of Chris and Christopher, her nasty arguments with Matthew, Danielle etc. Her warnings for name calling and bullying. What storyline has she had that hasn't included nastiness? Kissing Ash?
I don't see continuous nastiness and bullying as noteworthy at all...and I certainly don't see Ashleigh bitching about that nastiness and bullying as 'two faced' as you seem to because she wasn't being nice to Helen's face and she was saying what the majority of us were saying. What is your definition of two faced?

And the fact is, you can't possibly know what kind of storylines Ashleigh or any of them would have had without the presence of the awful Helen, especially in the early weeks. I don't forget how the HM's said the house was much better and they enjoyed it more when she was in the morgue....

Well with respect Ashleigh had no storylines for close on the first 3 weeks of the series, all we saw was a miserable,reclusive housemate who did and said absolutely nothing of note at all.
Also all Ashleigh could do in the main,when they were in the morgue, was talk about Helen while she was out of the house.
The girl was obsessed with Helen for goodness sake,it was like she was on a mission.
She actually only got a higher profile when she started the 2 faced backstabbing of Helen and Ash and still, that is the only thing she can be highlighted for.

I cannot think of one other thing Ashleigh has done or said that brings her to the forefront of this series, other than her Helen storyline and trying to get Ash evicted to get at Helen.
A lot of spiteful acts with one spiteful aim,does not make for a good housemate in my view and certainly not a winning one either.

She has in fact had only one triumph so far in the house, that was to ensure Ash was not saved,or considered to be saved in the all female power week, a week she herself could have likely gone had she been eligible to be up since then she was well and truly booed too.
She was however, probably saved then herself by BB making her immune that week too.
Something you regularly and surprisingly overlook, she has had 2 'free' immune weeks too,to help her go further in the series.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well with respect Ashleigh had no storylines for close on the first 3 weeks of the series, all we saw was a miserable,reclusive housemate who did and said absolutely nothing of note at all.
Also all Ashleigh could do in the main,when they were in the morgue, was talk about Helen while she was out of the house.
The girl was obsessed with Helen for goodness sake,it was like she was on a mission.
She actually only got a higher profile when she started the 2 faced backstabbing of Helen and Ash and still, that is the only thing she can be highlighted for.

I cannot think of one other thing Ashleigh has done or said that brings her to the forefront of this series, other than her Helen storyline and trying to get Ash evicted to get at Helen.
A lot of spiteful acts with one spiteful aim,does not make for a good housemate in my view and certainly not a winning one either.

She has in fact had only one triumph so far in the house, that was to ensure Ash was not saved,or considered to be saved in the all female power week, a week she herself could have likely gone had she been eligible to be up since then she was well and truly booed too.
She was however, probably saved then herself by BB making her immune that week too.
Something you regularly and surprisingly overlook, she has had 2 'free' immune weeks too,to help her go further in the series.

What you surprisingly overlook is that Ashleigh was badly bullied at school! Then she goes into BB and finds herself in a position of being stuck with another one for 10 weeks. For the first few weeks she watches Helen shout and scream and bully Jale, Danielle, Matthew, Chris, Christopher etc and get multiple warnings and you wonder why she stayed in the backgroud? We hardly seen Chris or Christopher either for the first few weeks.

You seem to have expected a teenager to have marched up to a loud mouthed vile bully and tackled her! After the behaviour she seen from her with others who crossed her? So what does she do - she bitches about her with her friend - completely normal for a teenager.
So during girl power she uses her intelligence to weaken the untouchable Helen's position. She tries to get Helen's bestie, Ash, up for nomination and she is happy and excited when it works. This is the Ash who laughs at Helen's name calling and eggs her on, remember. All you can say is she was being spiteful and horrible as if Helen and Ash were the 2 loveliest people in there....

She's had storylines that showed how resilient and courageous she is when BB set her up - first when they gave Kim and Helen ammunition to slate her from the morgue - second they showed the video to Helen, Kim and Jale - third she got immunity from the public and BB unexpectedly gave others the power to take it away from her. Throughout all this, she kept her cool and her dignity and took it on the chin.
As she has done when nominated - unlike Ash and Steven who moaned and whined said they didn't deserve to be up!
She conducted herself maturely and well the week she had the power.

Also remember that Chris adores her, said she was amazing and wants to spend time with her. He said last night that he couldn't wait to meet her boyfriend because 'he is a part of Ashleigh that he doesn't know'. Chris is astute and intelligent. Do you really think he would want to spend so much time around a boring, uninteresting young girl all the time even if he did fancy her (which I think is rubbish, by the way).
If you have watched the video's you would see more of Ashleigh having fun and doing other things, which is the same for all the other HM's. The editing of the HL shows have been terrible this year.

So all in all, I really can't see why you write such venom about Ashleigh while finding excuses for Helen. But each to their own.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by jet

What you surprisingly overlook is that Ashleigh was badly bullied at school! Then she goes into BB and finds herself in a position of being stuck with another one for 10 weeks. For the first few weeks she watches Helen shout and scream and bully Jale, Danielle, Matthew, Chris, Christopher etc and get multiple warnings and you wonder why she stayed in the backgroud? We hardly seen Chris or Christopher either for the first few weeks.

You seem to have expected a teenager to have marched up to a loud mouthed vile bully and tackled her! After the behaviour she seen from her with others who crossed her? So what does she do - she bitches about her with her friend - completely normal for a teenager.
So during girl power she uses her intelligence to weaken the untouchable Helen's position. She tries to get Helen's bestie, Ash, up for nomination and she is happy and excited when it works. This is the Ash who laughs at Helen's name calling and eggs her on, remember. All you can say is she was being spiteful and horrible as if Helen and Ash were the 2 loveliest people in there....

She's had storylines that showed how resilient and courageous she is when BB set her up - first when they gave Kim and Helen ammunition to slate her from the morgue - second they showed the video to Helen, Kim and Jale - third she got immunity from the public and BB unexpectedly gave others the power to take it away from her. Throughout all this, she kept her cool and her dignity and took it on the chin.
As she has done when nominated - unlike Ash and Steven who moaned and whined said they didn't deserve to be up!
She conducted herself maturely and well the week she had the power.

Also remember that Chris adores her, said she was amazing and wants to spend time with her. He said last night that he couldn't wait to meet her boyfriend because 'he is a part of Ashleigh that he doesn't know'. Chris is astute and intelligent. Do you really think he would want to spend so much time around a boring, uninteresting young girl all the time even if he did fancy her (which I think is rubbish, by the way).
If you have watched the video's you would see more of Ashleigh having fun and doing other things, which is the same for all the other HM's. The editing of the HL shows have been terrible this year.

So all in all, I really can't see why you write such venom about Ashleigh while finding excuses for Helen. But each to their own.

Ashleigh bullied at school, BS my dear. Its a story that's been invented to provide her with reasons for acting like a twat and a bitch. Please post proof of this ridiculous claim.

[bbfan1991]

Regardless of whether she wins or not I think Ashleigh will do well outside the house and she has plenty of options to consider RE what she will want to do next.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Ashleigh bullied at school, BS my dear. Its a story that's been invented to provide her with reasons for acting like a twat and a bitch. Please post proof of this ridiculous claim.

She said so - it's up to you to prove that she wasn't. Unless you can show the proof, it's rather cruel to accuse someone of lying or doubt them about something like that just because you don't like them.

But I'm glad it's the only part of my post that you can find to pick on.... I'm sure you'll try hard to find something else in it to dispute, but seeing you didn't the first time around, I assume you agree with it all really and it'll just be to save face...

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by jet

She said so - it's up to you to prove that she wasn't. Unless you can show the proof, it's rather cruel to accuse someone of lying or doubt them about something like that just because you don't like them.

But I'm glad it's the only part of my post that you can find to pick on.... I'm sure you'll try hard to find something else in it to dispute, but seeing you didn't the first time around, I assume you agree with it all really and it'll just be to save face...

Thank god you are not a lawyer, lol. It isn't up to me to disprove you, you made the post and if your claims are to be believed IT IS UP TO YOU TO PROVE YOUR STATEMENT.

Its not cruel to accuse a known liar of an infidelity she is proven to be already aufaire with. As I said in my post, she has invented the bullying bit to gain an edge and as for commenting on the rest of your post, well TBH., I find it really boring repeating myself as do probably loads of other posters that have disagreed with you in the past because you keep repeating the same old same old.

BTW being condescending and smirking or laughing at another poster is baiting or at worst just plain rude.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Ashleigh bullied at school, BS my dear. Its a story that's been invented to provide her with reasons for acting like a twat and a bitch. Please post proof of this ridiculous claim.

why would anyone lie about being bullied? you seem to know alot about ashleigh for someone who claims to 'dislike' her, #obsessed

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

What you surprisingly overlook is that Ashleigh was badly bullied at school! Then she goes into BB and finds herself in a position of being stuck with another one for 10 weeks. For the first few weeks she watches Helen shout and scream and bully Jale, Danielle, Matthew, Chris, Christopher etc and get multiple warnings and you wonder why she stayed in the backgroud? We hardly seen Chris or Christopher either for the first few weeks.

You seem to have expected a teenager to have marched up to a loud mouthed vile bully and tackled her! After the behaviour she seen from her with others who crossed her? So what does she do - she bitches about her with her friend - completely normal for a teenager.
So during girl power she uses her intelligence to weaken the untouchable Helen's position. She tries to get Helen's bestie, Ash, up for nomination and she is happy and excited when it works. This is the Ash who laughs at Helen's name calling and eggs her on, remember. All you can say is she was being spiteful and horrible as if Helen and Ash were the 2 loveliest people in there....

She's had storylines that showed how resilient and courageous she is when BB set her up - first when they gave Kim and Helen ammunition to slate her from the morgue - second they showed the video to Helen, Kim and Jale - third she got immunity from the public and BB unexpectedly gave others the power to take it away from her. Throughout all this, she kept her cool and her dignity and took it on the chin.
As she has done when nominated - unlike Ash and Steven who moaned and whined said they didn't deserve to be up!
She conducted herself maturely and well the week she had the power.

Also remember that Chris adores her, said she was amazing and wants to spend time with her. He said last night that he couldn't wait to meet her boyfriend because 'he is a part of Ashleigh that he doesn't know'. Chris is astute and intelligent. Do you really think he would want to spend so much time around a boring, uninteresting young girl all the time even if he did fancy her (which I think is rubbish, by the way).
If you have watched the video's you would see more of Ashleigh having fun and doing other things, which is the same for all the other HM's. The editing of the HL shows have been terrible this year.

So all in all, I really can't see why you write such venom about Ashleigh while finding excuses for Helen. But each to their own.

How do you know she was 'bullied' at school

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

How do you know she was 'bullied' at school

because most people are bullied and once you bullied you hate bullies, i was bullied reason why i hate helen and most people hate helen for bullying

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

because most people are bullied and once you bullied you hate bullies, i was bullied reason why i hate helen and most people hate helen for bullying

Really? That's your answer "How do you know Ashleigh was bullied?"
"Because most people are".

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LukeB

because most people are bullied and once you bullied you hate bullies, i was bullied reason why i hate helen and most people hate helen for bullying

I tend to think she was the one that bullied others,looking at her character now Shall we claim Helen was bullied,so that accounts for her behaviour?

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

How do you know she was 'bullied' at school

You have seen the amount of bullying she gets on this forum, why doubt she was bullied at school?

Poor Ashleigh

[Ellen]

Bullied at school? Yet she has sat there day after day, bitching, moaning, been nasty & spiteful about other Hm's
She comes across more of a mean girl than a victim imo

[bots]

Originally Posted by Achilles

You have seen the amount of bullying she gets on this forum, why doubt she was bullied at school?

Poor Ashleigh

Oh, come on, lets have some facts. If people are trying say her behaviour in the house has been affected by bullying, lets se some evidence. I would say there was very little chance of Ashleigh being bullied at school based on what I see of her character now, but that is purely my opinion

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

What you surprisingly overlook is that Ashleigh was badly bullied at school! Then she goes into BB and finds herself in a position of being stuck with another one for 10 weeks. For the first few weeks she watches Helen shout and scream and bully Jale, Danielle, Matthew, Chris, Christopher etc and get multiple warnings and you wonder why she stayed in the backgroud? We hardly seen Chris or Christopher either for the first few weeks.

You seem to have expected a teenager to have marched up to a loud mouthed vile bully and tackled her! After the behaviour she seen from her with others who crossed her? So what does she do - she bitches about her with her friend - completely normal for a teenager.
So during girl power she uses her intelligence to weaken the untouchable Helen's position. She tries to get Helen's bestie, Ash, up for nomination and she is happy and excited when it works. This is the Ash who laughs at Helen's name calling and eggs her on, remember. All you can say is she was being spiteful and horrible as if Helen and Ash were the 2 loveliest people in there....

She's had storylines that showed how resilient and courageous she is when BB set her up - first when they gave Kim and Helen ammunition to slate her from the morgue - second they showed the video to Helen, Kim and Jale - third she got immunity from the public and BB unexpectedly gave others the power to take it away from her. Throughout all this, she kept her cool and her dignity and took it on the chin.
As she has done when nominated - unlike Ash and Steven who moaned and whined said they didn't deserve to be up!
She conducted herself maturely and well the week she had the power.

Also remember that Chris adores her, said she was amazing and wants to spend time with her. He said last night that he couldn't wait to meet her boyfriend because 'he is a part of Ashleigh that he doesn't know'. Chris is astute and intelligent. Do you really think he would want to spend so much time around a boring, uninteresting young girl all the time even if he did fancy her (which I think is rubbish, by the way).
If you have watched the video's you would see more of Ashleigh having fun and doing other things, which is the same for all the other HM's. The editing of the HL shows have been terrible this year.

So all in all, I really can't see why you write such venom about Ashleigh while finding excuses for Helen. But each to their own.

I am not writing venom about Ashleigh, I don't really care for her as I cannot stand 2 faced people, something someone bullied I would have thought would set out to avoid doing at all.

I have every right to put my point as to her as I see what her actions are in the house, not out of it, and I don't like what I see,I have never made a thread about Ashleigh because I don't care for her, you however cannot resist any little dig at Helen even as to her son and herself as a Mother recently.

However, those who dislike Helen have every right to say their thoughts from their perspective of watching her in the house just as everyone else can about Ashleigh too.
Ashleigh was not forced to go on BB, she applied and chose to and if she does things people find offensive, ignorant and 2 faced, she will get that criticism rightly levelled at her just as Helen's gets too.

A teenager, come on jet, Helen is hardly collossus,teenagers can say plenty with no fear at all to people older than them.
I considered myself an adult at 18, Ashleigh is also one, or are you saying she isn't.
She is also an equal housemate,so for me,in that case, if she has to have special consideration since she is 'only 18', (that old chestnut again),then no way should she be or should she have gone in the BB house at all.
It is never a picnic for anyone in the BB house and she well knew that before she went in I would dare bet.

You say did I expect a teenager to stand up against Helen,who you claim to be a bully which is to me incorrect anyway.
Yes, I would expect her to, she is on TV monitored by BB,what on earth could happen to her if she stood up to anyone, nothing at all.

If she has been bullied in life as you state, then how really sad and bad of her to then victimise Ash just to get at Helen, by attempting to wreck his chances in the series by manipulating others to make sure he stayed up for eviction.

I tell you this, if she has really been bullied in her past, then sadly she hasn't learned anything at all from that other than be nasty to others herself too.
That shouldn't inspire admiration and respect for her,it should bring out contempt in my opinion.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not writing venom about Ashleigh, I don't really care for her as I cannot stand 2 faced people, something someone bullied I would have thought would set out to avoid doing at all.

I have every right to put my point as to her as I see what her actions are in the house, not out of it, and I don't like what I see,I have never made a thread about Ashleigh because I don't care for her, you however cannot resist any little dig at Helen even as to her son and herself as a Mother recently.

However, those who dislike Helen have every right to say their thoughts from their perspective of watching her in the house just as everyone else can about Ashleigh too.
Ashleigh was not forced to go on BB, she applied and chose to and if she does things people find offensive, ignorant and 2 faced, she will get that criticism rightly levelled at her just as Helen's gets too.

A teenager, come on jet, Helen is hardly collossus,teenagers can say plenty with no fear at all to people older than them.
I considered myself an adult at 18, Ashleigh is also one, or are you saying she isn't.
She is also an equal housemate,so for me,in that case, if she has to have special consideration since she is 'only 18', (that old chestnut again),then no way should she be or should she have gone in the BB house at all.
It is never a picnic for anyone in the BB house and she well knew that before she went in I would dare bet.

You say did I expect a teenager to stand up against Helen,who you claim to be a bully which is to me incorrect anyway.
Yes, I would expect her to, she is on TV monitored by BB,what on earth could happen to her if she stood up to anyone, nothing at all.

If she has been bullied in life as you state, then how really sad and bad of her to then victimise Ash just to get at Helen, by attempting to wreck his chances in the series by manipulating others to make sure he stayed up for eviction.

I tell you this, if she has really been bullied in her past, then sadly she hasn't learned anything at all from that other than be nasty to others herself too.
That shouldn't inspire admiration and respect for her,it should bring out contempt in my opinion.

Great post Joey & spot on

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not writing venom about Ashleigh, I don't really care for her as I cannot stand 2 faced people, something someone bullied I would have thought would set out to avoid doing at all.

I have every right to put my point as to her as I see what her actions are in the house, not out of it, and I don't like what I see,I have never made a thread about Ashleigh because I don't care for her, you however cannot resist any little dig at Helen even as to her son and herself as a Mother recently.

However, those who dislike Helen have every right to say their thoughts from their perspective of watching her in the house just as everyone else can about Ashleigh too.
Ashleigh was not forced to go on BB, she applied and chose to and if she does things people find offensive, ignorant and 2 faced, she will get that criticism rightly levelled at her just as Helen's gets too.

A teenager, come on jet, Helen is hardly collossus,teenagers can say plenty with no fear at all to people older than them.
I considered myself an adult at 18, Ashleigh is also one, or are you saying she isn't.
She is also an equal housemate,so for me,in that case, if she has to have special consideration since she is 'only 18', (that old chestnut again),then no way should she be or should she have gone in the BB house at all.
It is never a picnic for anyone in the BB house and she well knew that before she went in I would dare bet.

You say did I expect a teenager to stand up against Helen,who you claim to be a bully which is to me incorrect anyway.
Yes, I would expect her to, she is on TV monitored by BB,what on earth could happen to her if she stood up to anyone, nothing at all.

If she has been bullied in life as you state, then how really sad and bad of her to then victimise Ash just to get at Helen, by attempting to wreck his chances in the series by manipulating others to make sure he stayed up for eviction.

I tell you this, if she has really been bullied in her past, then sadly she hasn't learned anything at all from that other than be nasty to others herself too.
That shouldn't inspire admiration and respect for her,it should bring out contempt in my opinion.

Ashleigh and Ash hated each other at the start. "Victimize" Ash She made him a target because at that time he was one of the nasty housemates. Team Bully: Helen, Ash and the rest of the cool kids gang. We only see a fraction of what goes on in there. Only last night they edited out the part where Ash was talking about Jale in the garden. Upload he says "Jale was a twat, at the time". That was completely edited out for main highlights show. The producers are always on the side of the bully, that is why they push Helen and Ash gang and protect them. Just like they protected Conor and rewarded him with Ł50k when they realized they couldn't win. The producers are nasty and they support their own. Nasty housemates get a good edit, nice housemates get a bad edit.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh and Ash hated each other at the start. "Victimize" Ash She made him a target because at that time he was one of the nasty housemates. Team Bully: Helen, Ash and the rest of the cool kids gang. We only see a fraction of what goes on in there. Only last night they edited out the part where Ash was talking about Jale in the garden. Upload he says "Jale was a twat, at the time". That was completely edited out for main highlights show. The producers are always on the side of the bully, that is why they push Helen and Ash gang and protect them. Just like they protected Conor and rewarded him with Ł50k when they realized they couldn't win. The producers are nasty and they support their own. Nasty housemates get a good edit, nice housemates get a bad edit.

Really sorry Achilles but that is wrong, at the time of the all female pwer week and Ashleigh orchestrating the other women against saving Ash, Ash had not done or said anything really unpleasant at all to Ashleigh.
She only wanted to make sure Ash stayed up for eviction because she knew Helen was desperate to try to spare him that.

That I am sorry is a fact and you have said many things as an Ashleigh fan that have been balanced in many ways but I am sad you overlook that fact.
She only seized the all guys up for eviction week to use Ash to get at Helen in that particular week.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not writing venom about Ashleigh, I don't really care for her as I cannot stand 2 faced people, something someone bullied I would have thought would set out to avoid doing at all.

I have every right to put my point as to her as I see what her actions are in the house, not out of it, and I don't like what I see,I have never made a thread about Ashleigh because I don't care for her, you however cannot resist any little dig at Helen even as to her son and herself as a Mother recently.

However, those who dislike Helen have every right to say their thoughts from their perspective of watching her in the house just as everyone else can about Ashleigh too.
Ashleigh was not forced to go on BB, she applied and chose to and if she does things people find offensive, ignorant and 2 faced, she will get that criticism rightly levelled at her just as Helen's gets too.

A teenager, come on jet, Helen is hardly collossus,teenagers can say plenty with no fear at all to people older than them.
I considered myself an adult at 18, Ashleigh is also one, or are you saying she isn't.
She is also an equal housemate,so for me,in that case, if she has to have special consideration since she is 'only 18', (that old chestnut again),then no way should she be or should she have gone in the BB house at all.
It is never a picnic for anyone in the BB house and she well knew that before she went in I would dare bet.

You say did I expect a teenager to stand up against Helen,who you claim to be a bully which is to me incorrect anyway.
Yes, I would expect her to, she is on TV monitored by BB,what on earth could happen to her if she stood up to anyone, nothing at all.

If she has been bullied in life as you state, then how really sad and bad of her to then victimise Ash just to get at Helen, by attempting to wreck his chances in the series by manipulating others to make sure he stayed up for eviction.

I tell you this, if she has really been bullied in her past, then sadly she hasn't learned anything at all from that other than be nasty to others herself too.
That shouldn't inspire admiration and respect for her,it should bring out contempt in my opinion.

Firstly, you must have missed the posts I made about Helen NOT being a bad mother when people were saying she was for going into the house and her son getting stick at school. I said ONE thing about feeding her son burgers and you are on it like a fly on ****.

I do not get in every little dig at Helen, believe me if I wanted to I could do what the Ashleigh detractors do and go after her non stop - there is plenty about Helen to go after her for. I dislike her so of course I will criticize her behaviour but I don't do it a fraction of the amount Ashleigh haters do with her. If you searched my posts you will find most of them are defending Ashleigh and unfair vitriol against her in threads about her and relatively few criticizing Helen.

Secondly, will you please please look up the definition of two faced. Ashleigh bitched about Helen, but did not fawn over her to her face which is NOT being two faced.

I just don't get your posts about Asheligh/Helen I'm afraid. I find them puzzling and close minded. To you she is 'spiteful and two faced' and 'she needs her roots done' and you never look beyond that. For example, I responded to your post and gave my view but you didn't even bother to respond to the points I made or discuss the content - you just picked those things you could criticize her for and ignored anything that might be positive.
I think it best if we agree to disagree and leave it there. I won't respond to you on this subject again. I know what you think of her and I really see enough hypocrisy here without reading any more.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by jet

Firstly, you must have missed the posts I made about Helen NOT being a bad mother when people were saying she was for going into the house and her son getting stick at school. I said ONE thing about feeding her son burgers and you are on it like a fly on ****.

I do not get in every little dig at Helen, believe me if I wanted to I could do what the Ashleigh detractors do and go after her non stop - there is plenty about Helen to go after her for. I dislike her so of course I will criticize her behaviour but I don't do it a fraction of the amount Ashleigh haters do with her. If you searched my posts you will find most of them are defending Ashleigh and unfair vitriol against her in threads about her and relatively few criticizing Helen.

Secondly, will you please please look up the definition of two faced. Ashleigh bitched about Helen, but did not fawn over her to her face which is NOT being two faced.

I just don't get your posts about Asheligh/Helen I'm afraid. I find them puzzling and close minded. To you she is 'spiteful and two faced' and 'she needs her roots done' and you never look beyond that. For example, I responded to your post and gave my view but you didn't even bother to respond to the points I made or discuss the content - you just picked those things you could criticize her for and ignored anything that might be positive.
I think it best if we agree to disagree and leave it there. I won't respond to you on this subject again. I know what you think of her and I really see enough hypocrisy here without reading any more.

I find it amusing that even Mark knows what 2 faced means, yet so many Ashleigh haters don't.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

Firstly, you must have missed the posts I made about Helen NOT being a bad mother when people were saying she was for going into the house and her son getting stick at school. I said ONE thing about feeding her son burgers and you are on it like a fly on ****.

I do not get in every little dig at Helen, believe me if I wanted to I could do what the Ashleigh detractors do and go after her non stop - there is plenty about Helen to go after her for. I dislike her so of course I will criticize her behaviour but I don't do it a fraction of the amount Ashleigh haters do with her. If you searched my posts you will find most of them are defending Ashleigh and unfair vitriol against her in threads about her and relatively few criticizing Helen.

Secondly, will you please please look up the definition of two faced. Ashleigh bitched about Helen, but did not fawn over her to her face which is NOT being two faced.

I just don't get your posts about Asheligh/Helen I'm afraid. I find them puzzling and close minded. To you she is 'spiteful and two faced' and 'she needs her roots done' and you never look beyond that. For example, I responded to your post and gave my view but you didn't even bother to respond to the points I made or discuss the content - you just picked those things you could criticize her for and ignored anything that might be positive.
I think it best if we agree to disagree and leave it there. I won't respond to you on this subject again. I know what you think of her and I really see enough hypocrisy here without reading any more.

You know what, that is perfectly fine by me jet, rest assured I won't respond to your posts as to Helen or Ashleigh either.