[jet]

Originally Posted by Lex

Just after she had nominated Christopher for eviction to his face when she clearly doesn't like the public's favourite Winston more...[for his own good of course!
That was more about Ashleigh's need to bolster her stock with the anti-Helen voters...she takes every opportunity to have sly little digs at 'Big Bad Helen' because she thinks it makes her look fearless to the public...but we all know that she'd never openly challenge Helen. [outside the diary room anyway]

She did challenge Helen when she clearly said twice that it wasn't right to call Christopher a thief. To which Helen made the dig that Ashleigh was being Judge Judy.
She also said to her earlier that she would have been out of the house in the first few weeks if she hadn't had the free pass.
Do you filter out the bits that don't suit you or are you just a wind up merchant?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by jet

She did challenge Helen when she clearly said twice that it wasn't right to call Christopher a thief. To which Helen made the dig that Ashleigh was being Judge Judy.
She also said to her earlier that she would have been out of the house in the first few weeks if she hadn't had the free pass.
Do you filter out the bits that don't suit you or are you just a wind up merchant?

Is that really what you call "Standing Up to Somebody" where you come from Jet???? Some people have led sheltered lives haven't they!

...A couple of slyly veiled snipes is not openly challenging someone like Helen Jet!...Trust me....Ashleigh will be in tears before long...The big Kahuna Helen is getting near to breaking point with the sulky little brat! ...it won't be pretty, but at least it will get you some more sympathy votes!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Lex

Is that really what you call "Standing Up to Somebody" where you come from Jet???? Some people have led sheltered lives haven't they!

...A couple of slyly veiled snipes is not openly challenging someone like Helen Jet!...Trust me....Ashleigh will be in tears before long...The big Kahuna Helen is getting near to breaking point with the sulky little brat! ...it won't be pretty, but at least it will get you some more sympathy votes!

You don't have to do a Helen and rant and shout to stand up to somebody though. I don't know why you think clearly saying "It's wrong to accuse somebody of theft" is a sly snipe. It's a statement of how she felt.
From what you say, you would prefer her to jump up, get into Helen's face and yell "How dare you!" That's not how civilized people behave, I'm afraid, but it explains why you like Helen's way of doing things (before she was given a final warning, of course). Which leads on to Helen not 'standing up' to Ashleigh but making a sly snipe about her being 'Judge Judy' and changing the subject. lol

[muchadoaboutnothing]

The irony of that cigagate sage is that whilst Helen and Mark were accusing christpoher of being a thief (joking or otherwise) it was Ash, Helen and Mark who stored (stole and hid) some wine in the store room - so who is the real thief?

[Rob!]

Mark is literally the biggest hypocrite in there. Plus, it's painfully obvious that he blames Christopher for the public's perception of him.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by jet

You don't have to do a Helen and rant and shout to stand up to somebody though. I don't know why you think clearly saying "It's wrong to accuse somebody of theft" is a sly snipe. It's a statement of how she felt.
From what you say, you would prefer her to jump up, get into Helen's face and yell "How dare you!" That's not how civilized people behave, I'm afraid, but it explains why you like Helen's way of doing things (before she was given a final warning, of course). Which leads on to Helen not 'standing up' to Ashleigh but making a sly snipe about her being 'Judge Judy' and changing the subject. lol

Well if we are to discuss this like adults Jet...we firstly have to drop the pretence that Ashleigh didn't understand that Helen was just being playful with Christopher, and acknowledge that Ashleigh was just showboating! .....can we at least do that? ...or are we to insist that Ashleigh's intentions are always altruistic?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by muchadoaboutnothing

The irony of that cigagate sage is that whilst Helen and Mark were accusing christpoher of being a thief (joking or otherwise) it was Ash, Helen and Mark who stored (stole and hid) some wine in the store room - so who is the real thief?

Yep...they have previous for this crime as well! ...btw...who is the cigarette thief?...idk

[jet]

Originally Posted by Lex

Well if we are to discuss this like adults Jet...we firstly have to drop the pretence that Ashleigh didn't understand that Helen was just being playful with Christopher, and acknowledge that Ashleigh was just showboating! .....can we at least do that? ...or are we to insist that Ashleigh's intentions are always altruistic?

Imo, It started off as playful, but Helen took it too far even when it became obvious Christopher was getting annoyed. That's when Ashleigh said her piece to support him, not before.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by jet

Imo, It started off as playful, but Helen took it too far even when it became obvious Christopher was getting annoyed. That's when Ashleigh said her piece to support him, not before.

Well if that's your opinion, then C'est la vie, but I thought that it was painfully clear that it was in fact Mark that was taking it too far [as usual] and that Ashleigh knowing that it was lightly-intended ..was merely playing 'Captain Sensible' for the cameras ...but was jolted by Helen's "effing judge judy" response...to which she beated a hasty retreat to the safety of the diary room. [where she is as brave as a lion. lol] ....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Lex

Well if that's your opinion, then C'est la vie, but I thought that it was painfully clear that it was in fact Mark that was taking it too far [as usual] and that Ashleigh knowing that it was lightly-intended ..was merely playing 'Captain Sensible' for the cameras ...but was jolted by Helen's "effing judge judy" response...to which she beated a hasty retreat to the safety of the diary room. [where she is as brave as a lion. lol] ....

Both Helen and Mark were taking it too far.
As for the rest, if that is what you took out of it, then fine. I seen it totally differently and there is no point in going round in circles. Time for bed for me. Night!

[Lex]

Originally Posted by jet

Both Helen and Mark were taking it too far.
As for the rest, if that is what you took out of it, then fine. I seen it totally differently and there is no point in going round in circles. Time for bed for me. Night!

Me too...night night Jet!

[AarynGriesfan]

Helen calling anyone a thief is ridiculous since her and her lackies hide a lot of the booze for themselves.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Lex

Ashleigh knowing that it was lightly-intended ..was merely playing 'Captain Sensible' for the cameras

dafuq

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by muchadoaboutnothing

The irony of that cigagate sage is that whilst Helen and Mark were accusing christpoher of being a thief (joking or otherwise) it was Ash, Helen and Mark who stored (stole and hid) some wine in the store room - so who is the real thief?

This totally made me think of double standards - it's fine for Helen and her cohorts to stash wine for themselves - you couldn't make it up!!!

[Vanessa]

Mark has to go. He brings Christopher down. If they want to meet they can do that after the show.