[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

You haven't seen her in the house then? She's been incredibly immature with her spite towards Ash simply to "hurt" Helen. She's treated her close friend Christopher like **** on a couple occasions and she's shown brat characteristics when things haven't gone her way or when she's simply decided to play "I'm greater than the rest, how dare they talk to me while I'm busy looking down at you all with my two friends". Hell her rant in the DR last show was incredibly "Bratty"...Come on man..

Helen, Ash and Winston acted like brats when they went out the fire exit. They behaved badly and acted like moronic kids. BRATS. Ashleigh was the MATURE one who believe that they should have apologized to the house immediately after BB told them the whole house was being punished. They didn't apologize because they are brats. They took the piss and sang an apology because they are brats.

Ashleigh's plan to get Ash nominated was not being a brat. It was playing the game and attempting to get rid of a housemate she didn't like. She doesn't like him because he is a nasty twat.
Her tiff with Christopher was as a result of a stressed woman being wound up and losing her temper out of frustration.
Her rant in diary room was the same as if a victim of bullying lashes out at the people bullying them.

Not once was she being a brat. She is only labelled a brat because of her age and people who hate her use it as an insult. WRONGLY.

[Dollface]

I think i need to stay away from these types of threads atm

BECAUSE CLEARLY THIS FORUM DOESN'T ALLOW ANY CONFRONTATION BETWEEN MEMBERS EVEN THOUGH SPITEFUL GROWN ADULTS ARE ALLOWED TO SLAG OFF A YOUNG GIRL'S APPEARANCE
*cough*

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I think i need to stay away from these types of threads atm

BECAUSE CLEARLY THIS FORUM DOESN'T ALLOW ANY CONFRONTATION BETWEEN MEMBERS EVEN THOUGH SPITEFUL GROWN ADULTS ARE ALLOWED TO SLAG OFF A YOUNG GIRL'S APPEARANCE
*cough*

Ashleigh is beautiful. That is why she is called ugly.

[Lwize]

There is a difference between bitching and being a bitch.

Helen has been a consistent black cloud over the household. Ashleigh emerged from the shadows to vocalize what viewers were already thinking about Helen and her crew.

Helen was the queen bitch of the house. A villain through and through.
Ashleigh just called it like she saw it.

[booboomartin]

Originally Posted by kefln

Are these two even in the same league?

In real life would people even know that Ashleigh was bitching? Is she any worse than anyone else in their day to day dealings with people they don't like? From every conversation I've ever had on the subject, its fairly normal for girls to sit together in small groups and bitch about people they don't like. And anyone who claims to have never done the same is lying. Hell a vast quantity of bitching about HMs goes on here daily. How is that any better? Given some of things I've read recently online, some of her detractors have far more bite than she.

However it is not normal to act like Helen. Screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, drunken fights, getting into peoples faces...it takes a certain type of person to justify that sort of behaviour.

apart from drunken fights, EVERYTHING you have said about helen you can apply to ashleigh. last nights show was a prime example of her of her loutish behaivour. as you know she was screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, and i'm sure if helen was there, would have got right into her face. also, her swearing was delightful (not). i bet her mum and family are very proud of her effing like a trooper. pretty face, but nasty girl

[MartianMark]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

apart from drunken fights

Key difference right there. They've all had their moments of "bitching" and "moaning" but Helen takes it to a whole other level. The reason she's been warned so many times is b/c it verges on verbal abuse to the point that she can be somewhat threatening (eg. argument with Matthew).

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

apart from drunken fights, EVERYTHING you have said about helen you can apply to ashleigh. last nights show was a prime example of her of her loutish behaivour. as you know she was screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, and i'm sure if helen was there, would have got right into her face. also, her swearing was delightful (not). i bet her mum and family are very proud of her effing like a trooper. pretty face, but nasty girl

I doubt her family are crying over it either. Their daughter/sister/niece/friend has stood up against a bully, has loads of fans AND a big chance of winning BB (and a hundred grand) ..so i'm betting they are pretty proud

[kefln]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

apart from drunken fights, EVERYTHING you have said about helen you can apply to ashleigh. last nights show was a prime example of her of her loutish behaivour. as you know she was screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, and i'm sure if helen was there, would have got right into her face. also, her swearing was delightful (not). i bet her mum and family are very proud of her effing like a trooper. pretty face, but nasty girl

And therein lies the problem. Ignore the first point entirely, do best to downgrade the aggressive behaviour of one HM, upgrade the bad behaviour of the other.

How does adding comments about a HMs parents make for a point? Yes Ashleighs parents should be ashamed, she curses, like 99% of the human population.

And how does making things up, make for a point? Something didn't happen, but I'm sure it would. It didn't, so its irrelevant.

[JoshBB]

Being called queen bitch is a good thing imo.. gg ashleigh fans

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

Ashleigh bitches alot but she never denies it, she also does it to actually vent which is quite constructive, and doesn't bang on about being 'real'. She also doesn't give the slightest if she's caught out.

Helen on the other hand, bitches constantly and doesn't seems to have any real conversations with her 'mates', denies and cries about it when she's caught out and reckons she's nothing but honest and upfront. She also does it out of spite to make herself feel better about herself IMO.

Truth here