[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

The public do not like an obvious winner.

They like to shock the housemates

They also like an underdog

Whilst Ashleigh was the underdog initially the balance shifted when Helen's posse left one by one!

The house was made aware of Ashleigh's insane popularity around the same time.

All the housemates just thought that Ashleigh winning was a given!

The public didn't like that!

THE PUBLIC HATE BEING TOLD WHAT TO THINK

The Helen protest vote came as yet another 'lets stick it to the producers'

Helen was made the underdog, her redemption was her winning storyline and the public voted her the winner because they felt Ashleigh was too obvious

I think she won because she was honest,had no airs and graces and showed us both sides of her character good and bad,which is what we ALL have,and she was a great housemate,first female I ever wanted to win.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

and showed us both sides of her character good and bad

You supported Helen from the start while she was showing her bad side, so you were drawn too her by the bad side of her character.

Would you say that's a fair comment?

[tonster76]

Most of your reasons are the same... ie) Helen was an underdog.

So how does an underdog win? ie) if she's the least popular...

[JoshBB]

I voted for her because I love a shock on final night, and I also feel that she deserved to win after all that happened and how she was made out to be a bully.

[Ammi]

..I think for me it's not so much what's perceived as 'bully' but what's perceived as 'victim'...there were instances of perceived 'pack' bullying led by Helen's verbal assaults and insults by not only the public/media but BB itself..hence the warnings etc but there are no clear definitions of bullying so that's why it's so hard to reach agreement with this...but the reactions and indeed the characters of the 'victims' were quite different..with Ashleigh when BB showed the girls the DR footage...she had 'deserved' it because she had manipulated/bitched about/been spiteful/mean/spoilt etc....?...those aren't my words necessarily but just terms which could be applied and her reaction when 'confronted' by the pack was just well...so what..?../type thing...

..then with Marlon after he pressed the buzzer and he became the 'victim'...he was visibly upset/isolated himself and obviously felt quite alone...and there was much more sympathy shown there...

...with Jale at the beginning, she gained some sympathy but was equally condemned as 'playing the victim' so the sympathy was quite split but she fitted the 'victim' role more than Ashleigh I think who was physically extremely attractive/bitched/was spiteful..a 'mean girl'..?..etc ....


...I think it's a movie type scenario of what a victim is perceived to be in that they first have to be seen to be 'nice' otherwise they may 'deserve' it/denied sympathy and not be perceived as being bullied in any way...that disturbs me quite a bit actually because whatever their personality and if they also can be mean etc/bitch and any other bad personality traits themselves...talking behind someone's back or bitching about them is not in any way bullying otherwise those insults would be something everyone of us would be guilty of in the posts on the forum when we 'insult' housemates but it's not something that has any bullying aspects to it at all..all it does is reflect on the person insulting, which it did on Ashleigh....but if a 'victim' is a bitch or thought of as not really that nice a person or indeed quite awful in character...is the bullying therefore acceptable...


..anyway those are all moral and debatable things but I think through this what I personally have learned is to try to separate those thoughts and see the show and housemates who have provided much to the series in terms of 'entertainment' value and our winner certainly is very deserving for those reasons of the talking points for the last several weeks and I wish her well and hope she is happy in life..and a salute to all Helen fans in helping her achieve this win....

[arista]

[chuff me dizzy]

From beginning to end she was 100% HONEST ,thats why she won, people admire honesty

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

awful eviction outfit.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by tonster76

Most of your reasons are the same... ie) Helen was an underdog.

So how does an underdog win? ie) if she's the least popular...

But she wasn't the least popular, she won by a slight majority, making her the most popular.

That's why it is a contest, and why you don't know who has won until the votes have been counted. People come from behind and win all the time, and they will continue to do so as long as we have a voting process

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

But she wasn't the least popular, she won by a slight majority, making her the most popular.

That's why it is a contest, and why you don't know who has won until the votes have been counted. People come from behind and win all the time, and they will continue to do so as long as we have a voting process

Very well said. And it was a very slight majority, 1.2%.

[nanaimo]

Helen is a **** and shouldn't have won, simple as FIX!!!

[Patricia4]

I think she won because in this day and age people love someone that is vulgar.
I must say I have laught at her sometimes but to be honest there was nobody to really vote for in the show.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by brisbanebroncos

Helen won because her fans didn't have to spend any money keeping her in so while the fans of Ashleigh were probably thinking that they had spent way too much keeping Ashleigh in and probably didn't spend as much on the final. Helens fans had all of their voting money to spare.

I think it's kinda funny that a complete asshole won the show. It's sad that she will not learn from the experience and to her, it will justify her actions and will go through life as an absolute bitch. However, I'll never meet her, so well done, Helen.

Not really in my opinion,I would guess most avid BB fans would still vote to evict someone anyway.
Supporters of housemates under vote to evict cannot do a great deal to help them until we get to the vote to win stage.

I wasn't a Helen supporter until midway through the series.
No matter whether a housemate I really liked was up or not, I still voted in the evictions that took place but I always make the decision to vote to evict who I want out,not the recognised easy target via campaigns and the like.

So I likely spent as much as I would have expected to over the series in total.
In the final I threw a few votes to Ash and Christopher but the massive bulk of my votes all went to Helen.
Really pleased I am that I did vote that way too.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

Helen is a **** and shouldn't have won, simple as FIX!!!

Explain how it was a fix?

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by arista

Iconic winner.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Whatever helps you sleep at night

Helen won for being a memorable housemate and thank god people voted differently to the last few years or we would have had another Sam or Luke A on our hands lol.

Atleast now with Helen she has a strong chance at staying in the limelight and every article will say "BB WINNER HELEN" which in turn is great promo for the show.

Im now routing for her to turn that 100k into a million we haven't had a BB success story since Josie Gibson.

I never thought I would say this, seeing as how you ignored my olive branch post (betting explained #15) but you are right and it was a good post.

They do say even a blind squirell will one day find an acorn (joke)

The main reason she actually won was down to her over zealous fans. They punted her so hard and invaded the forums with all sorts of stuff (quite rightly so as well) that when it became apparent that she might win, the GBP took action and voted Helen to beat her.

They wont ever let a bitch of her sort win BB. If it had have been Christopher against her in the end, he might have been helped along as well but in essence, the GBP hate a deceptive person and although Helen is a Bitch, she is an honest and in your face bitch.

This is why I predicted she could never win and even though it was a small margin, it was never the less a loss created by a moral fan base that didn't want to see her winning. Sadly Helen isn't the perfect model winner, but it will do BB good because they all now know that this kind of format does not work.

If something is not broken, don't friggin fix it. Well done Helen.....and before you ask,,,,,,,my bets were down and up but Helen pulled me back and over the top in quite an unexpected but profitable solution.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Explain how it was a fix?

lol the same people would be praising the show if it's the other way around.

How is it a fix when they even said there was 1.2% between them both. I would be suspicious if it was like 20% of votes between them as both fanbases are similar in size, but it was only 1.2% so people crying fix need to get over it.

[sampvt]

we never know the results because they don't publish the voting figures, not that I can see anyway. They can say or do what they want and generally do just to get the hype and last minute votes for the money side of things.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Iconic winner.

That banner,LOL,LOL

[Kizzy]

Just great, and if I see the word 'moral' again it will be too soon!

[mary poppins]

Basically the great British public decided to make a Bully their winner!..

[Jackie]

HELEN WOODS AGENT WIKIPEDIA is Richard Desmond he is part owner Channel 5 now we know why the show has been made into the Helen show (Richard Clive Desmond) (born 8 December 1951) is an English publisher and businessman. He is the owner of Express Newspapers and founder of Northern & Shell, which publishes various celebrity magazines, such as OK! and New!, and British national newspapers Daily Star and Daily Express. Northern & Shell also owns British television network CHANNELL 5 as well as Portland TV[3] which, in turn, owns the adult TV channels Television.... it was fixed for her to win from the start...

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Jackie

HELEN WOODS AGENT WIKIPEDIA is Richard Desmond he is part owner Channel 5 now we know why the show has been made into the Helen show (Richard Clive Desmond) (born 8 December 1951) is an English publisher and businessman. He is the owner of Express Newspapers and founder of Northern & Shell, which publishes various celebrity magazines, such as OK! and New!, and British national newspapers Daily Star and Daily Express. Northern & Shell also owns British television network CHANNELL 5 as well as Portland TV[3] which, in turn, owns the adult TV channels Television.... it was fixed for her to win from the start...

Most likely all of the housemates were signed to that agency as contract of entering the house so Desmond could have exclusive rights for their stories in his publications when the came out.

Every year they appear in Desmonds publications as cross promo this is nothing new and in no way proof of a fix.

You're just rehashing crap statements and looking into them to much.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

The public do not like an obvious winner.

They like to shock the housemates

They also like an underdog

Whilst Ashleigh was the underdog initially the balance shifted when Helen's posse left one by one!

The house was made aware of Ashleigh's insane popularity around the same time.

All the housemates just thought that Ashleigh winning was a given!

The public didn't like that!

THE PUBLIC HATE BEING TOLD WHAT TO THINK

The Helen protest vote came as yet another 'lets stick it to the producers'

Helen was made the underdog, her redemption was her winning storyline and the public voted her the winner because they felt Ashleigh was too obvious

Very good post ellie

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by mary poppins

Basically the great British public decided to make a Bully their winner!..

Basically the great British public decided not to watch this sh*te series!..