[James]

Policing and the justice system are pretty important too, because without that it would be anarchy.

[Kyle]

Health and education are both obviously important but to me education would be the most important because;

+educated people should be more likely to make more health conscious decisions.

+greater education among the populace should result in a greater pool of talent to make scientific breakthroughs in healthcare in the future.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by James

Policing and the justice system are pretty important too, because without that it would be anarchy.

Yeh, bit pissed off I missed that one lol.

[Kizzy]

Raking this old chestnut kyle... slow news day? Without healthcare you're less likely to make it to school age, look at the infant mortality rates prior to the the advent of the NHS.
Great point James public services are extremely important and should never be sidelined, privatised or aligned with any political party ( as the police are now with 'commissioners')

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Raking this old chestnut kyle... slow news day? Without healthcare you're less likely to make it to school age, look at the infant mortality rates prior to the the advent of the NHS.
Great point James public services are extremely important and should never be sidelined, privatised or aligned with any political party ( as the police are now with 'commissioners')

Which I'm sure came about as a result of a greater education of the general public who no longer require the government to do everything for them kizzbot

What's the point of making it to school age if you have no voice because you have no idea how the world works?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Raking this old chestnut kyle... slow news day? Without healthcare you're less likely to make it to school age, look at the infant mortality rates prior to the the advent of the NHS.
Great point James public services are extremely important and should never be sidelined, privatised or aligned with any political party ( as the police are now with 'commissioners')

Infant mortality rates in the past were almost entirely down to malnutrition and poor sanitation... the (vast) majority of children in the western world these days reach adulthood without the need for much (if any) medical intervention at all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Which I'm sure came about as a result of a greater education of the general public who no longer require the government to do everything for them kizzbot

What's the point of making it to school age if you have no voice because you have no idea how the world works?

It came about due to social reformists such as Joseph Rowntree.
The point is for a civilised ordered society everyone deserves a say.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It came about due to social reformists such as Joseph Rowntree.
The point is for a civilised ordered society everyone deserves a say.

You aren't going to get a say if you live in a repressed population with access to education restricted only to those who are lucky enough to be born into it.

Education is the motivator to all other avenues. An educated population can not be as easily fooled or trodden down.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Infant mortality rates in the past were almost entirely down to malnutrition and poor sanitation... the (vast) majority of children in the western world these days reach adulthood without the need for much (if any) medical intervention at all.

Environmental issues such as air pollutants were a direct cause of respiratory disease , without healthcare there would be no screening for congenital abnormality, no assisted labour or antibiotics to guard against infectious and or parasitic disease.
Do I think that if the NHS were to be removed tomorrow there would be a drop in infant mortality? Yes absolutely.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kyle

You aren't going to get a say if you live in a repressed population with access to education restricted only to those who are lucky enough to be born into it.

Education is the motivator to all other avenues. An educated population can not be as easily fooled or trodden down.

You don't read the mail then?...
We could go round and round, they are both important

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You don't read the mail then?...
We could go round and round, they are both important

Cheers for accepting defeat Kizzy it's very humble of you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Cheers for accepting defeat Kizzy it's very humble of you.

I accept you are not fully aware of the facts kyle

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I accept you are not fully aware of the facts kyle

And guess what's to blame for that Kizzy?

My Yorkshire EDUCATION!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kyle

And guess what's to blame for that Kizzy?

My Yorkshire EDUCATION!

Maybe you have an underlying undiagnosed health condition preventing you from understanding?

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe you have an underlying undiagnosed health condition preventing you from understanding?

I'm afraid I do. 7 years ago on my 18th birthday I was officially diagnosed a man.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I'm afraid I do. 7 years ago on my 18th birthday I was officially diagnosed a man.

That's terrible poor you, on my 18th I was diagnosed a ball breaker.. it's a cross I have to bear

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's terrible poor you, on my 18th I was diagnosed a ball breaker.. it's a cross I have to bear

and here was me thinking you would take to that role like a duck would take to water.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Rate what is more important to a society in your opinion on a scale of 1 for least important and 10 for most important.

The society in question is roughly based on amalgamation of any standard Western European nation.


Health care
Universal Education
Military defence
Secular governance
Freedom of speech
Agriculture
Equal rights between sexes/sexuality
National Welfare system
Economical infrastructure
Ethical Animal husbandry and welfare.

Good idea!

1. Universal Education
2. Health Care
3. Secular Governance
4. Economical Infrastructure
5. Agriculture
6. National Welfare system
7. Military Defence
8. Ethical Animal husbandry and welfare
9. Freedom of Speech
10. Equal rights between sexes (Although the sexualities thing id prioritize more just not the gender crap)

[Kyle]

Can I ask why you put secular governance so high up in your list please Raph?

Just curious mate that's all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Environmental issues such as air pollutants were a direct cause of respiratory disease , without healthcare there would be no screening for congenital abnormality, no assisted labour or antibiotics to guard against infectious and or parasitic disease.
Do I think that if the NHS were to be removed tomorrow there would be a drop in infant mortality? Yes absolutely.

I'm not saying that there wouldn't be an increase in mortality rates (of all age ranges) without free health care, I do think free health care is vital to a fair society, but I also know that there is a shocking amount of waste in the current system and that if people were better educated on when it's appropriate to seek out a doctor and when it's more appropriate to just do a bit of home nursing and TLC then a lot of money would be saved. E. G people rush to the doctors for infant fever when there's no need at all unless there's an accompanying rash or the fever tops 40 - bed and plenty of fluids is all that's needed. Likewise, people seek antibiotic prescriptions (and they are handed out) far too quickly for infections that could and should be fought naturally (to stop antibiotic resistance and strengthen natural immunity). Also people taking up GP and hospital time for nothing at all simply because they don't know what is or isn't a perfectly normal quirk of the human body. All of this should be covered by the education system, it's as important (if not more important??) than literacy and numeracy. It would save the health service a huge amount of money and get the whole thing running more smoothly and efficiently at the same time.

I'd certainly never advocate removal of free health care, it would be a disaster, because as I said there are of course unavoidable medical issues such as genetic problems, cancers, and of course accidents and broken bones that all must be treated, for free, promptly, and without question.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I see where your priorities lie Kaz

"Gerard Butler Statue" ---