[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes..... because of the backlash about her images.

The irony being if people like the "loose women" didn't kick up such a fuss then nobody would've bat an eyelid at her vapid instagram account.

Just another example of society focussing on such insignificant, trivial "problems" instead of the real stuff.

JSP
owns 3 homes
her words are More Valid
that yours

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

JSP
owns 3 homes
her words are More Valid
that yours

Ok. Silly me.

[GiRTh]

If she hold such a position and dresses like that then she opens herself up to the criticism.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

If she hold such a position and dresses like that then she opens herself up to the criticism.

You Are Most Wise

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

You Are Most Wise

Oh dear Arista agrees with me. My skin is crawling.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Oh dear Arista agrees with me. My skin is crawling.

How Nice

[Creggle]

She's got a cracking pair, and it's easy for a woman to show cleavage so just because she's in politics doesn't mean she has to be stuck up and frigid, though her choice in marriage is rather strange

i dont see this as being much different to guys who are ripped and like to wear tight or short sleeved clothing... they are boobs, big deal.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Creggle

She's got a cracking pair, and it's easy for a woman to show cleavage so just because she's in politics doesn't mean she has to be stuck up and frigid, though her choice in marriage is rather strange

i dont see this as being much different to guys who are ripped and like to wear tight or short sleeved clothing... they are boobs, big deal.

Yes
But not for a Council Woman

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Creggle

She's got a cracking pair, and it's easy for a woman to show cleavage so just because she's in politics doesn't mean she has to be stuck up and frigid, though her choice in marriage is rather strange

i dont see this as being much different to guys who are ripped and like to wear tight or short sleeved clothing... they are boobs, big deal.

As a Councillor I would imagine she has to deal with very real, very grave issues. TBH if it was a man taking pics of himself looking ripped that was my Councillor I'd have the same issue. Its not about sexism this is about being taken seriously.

JSP can take it to a whole new level regarding the way she dresses and rape. I'm not agreeing with that I'm saying that as someone who has a very serious important job these types of picture are inappropriate and I;d say that if it was a man or woman.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

As a Councillor I would imagine she has to deal with very real, very grave issues. TBH if it was a man taking pics of himself looking ripped that was my Councillor I'd have the same issue. Its not about sexism this is about being taken seriously.

JSP can take it to a whole new level regarding the way she dresses and rape. I'm not agreeing with that I'm saying that as someone who has a very serious important job these types of picture are inappropriate and I;d say that if it was a man or woman.

I think the important part is that this is outside of work on a personal instagram account.

If she went into work with her boobs out then I'd understand the issue, as it is she doesn't.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think the important part is that this is outside of work on a personal instagram account.

If she went into work with her boobs out then I'd understand the issue, as it is she doesn't.

If she did, council meetings would be packed to the rafters.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

As a Councillor I would imagine she has to deal with very real, very grave issues. TBH if it was a man taking pics of himself looking ripped that was my Councillor I'd have the same issue. Its not about sexism this is about being taken seriously.

JSP can take it to a whole new level regarding the way she dresses and rape. I'm not agreeing with that I'm saying that as someone who has a very serious important job these types of picture are inappropriate and I;d say that if it was a man or woman.

Again
You Are Most Wise

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

As a Councillor I would imagine she has to deal with very real, very grave issues. TBH if it was a man taking pics of himself looking ripped that was my Councillor I'd have the same issue. Its not about sexism this is about being taken seriously.

JSP can take it to a whole new level regarding the way she dresses and rape. I'm not agreeing with that I'm saying that as someone who has a very serious important job these types of picture are inappropriate and I;d say that if it was a man or woman.

Why because you work in a specific field are you considered public property?
I don't see why here personal snaps on her personal account affect her professional competency.

If I was having an operation and the surgeon had taken pics in a bikini on holiday it wouldn't affect my decision to let her operate.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why because you work in a specific field are you considered public property?
I don't see why here personal snaps on her personal account affect her professional competency.

If I was having an operation and the surgeon had taken pics in a bikini on holiday it wouldn't affect my decision to let her operate.

To be in a job where she deal with such serious issues and to act like a 15 year old taking selfies of her tits, its up to her; I cant do anything about it but I dont think its appropriate and it looks like we differ in this view

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

To be in a job where she deal with such serious issues and to act like a 15 year old taking selfies of her tits, its up to her; I cant do anything about it but I dont think its appropriate and it looks like we differ in this view

It's 2014, councillors are female, they have cleavages and phones....
Looks that way

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

As a Councillor I would imagine she has to deal with very real, very grave issues. TBH if it was a man taking pics of himself looking ripped that was my Councillor I'd have the same issue. Its not about sexism this is about being taken seriously.
JSP can take it to a whole new level regarding the way she dresses and rape. I'm not agreeing with that I'm saying that as someone who has a very serious important job these types of picture are inappropriate and I;d say that if it was a man or woman.

..I wasn't sure what my thoughts were on this so I've been giving it a bit of though..and I think I agree with you, it would be the same if it was a male as well although I think it would be perceived differently though..?..maybe with a male it would be more 'laughed at' in a not taking him seriously way but with a female, it's more 'disapproval/dislike..' sort of thing..?..I do think that there may be a different reaction and females are a lot more actually criticised....anyway, I agree with you..in some jobs especially, these things are relevant...I mean, it wouldn't really be appropriate for me to show cleavage etc with my job and to post pics/selfies etc which were public wouldn't be good either..if I do it privately and without 'public access' to what I'm wearing then that's fine ..and she looks amazing/great body etc...but it's only going to make her be taken less seriously by distracting from her politics...that's fine if she doesn't mind that but I think to not be aware that would happen is very naive....

[Liam-]

All women married to politicians or are involved in politics should dress like Ann Widdecomb, turtle neck jumpers, black trousers at all times and absolutely no make-up, how dare they have a sense of individuality and self esteem?!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

All women married to politicians should dress like Ann Widdecomb, turtle neck jumpers, black trousers at all times and absolutely no make-up, how dare they have a sense of individuality and self esteem?!

Careful. You have to have buck teeth, three houses and in the later stages of menopause to have a valid opinion.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Careful. You have to have buck teeth, three houses and in the later stages of menopause to have a valid opinion.

Buggs should really keep his Mrs on a leash

[arista]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

All women married to politicians or are involved in politics should dress like Ann Widdecomb, turtle neck jumpers, black trousers at all times and absolutely no make-up, how dare they have a sense of individuality and self esteem?!

But she is on the Council


Liam

Standards Please hun

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

But she is on the Council


Liam

Standards Please hun

I have standards tyvm.
I don't see what relevance her talking pictures of herself, outside of work away from council, has got to do with her job? It doesn't effect the way she works, i think people worried about this being a major issue in politics need to focus on the real issues and see that it's not a large breasted woman's cleavage that's making a mockery out of politics, it's the politicians themselves that are doing that.

[kirklancaster]

JSP is an highly educated, extremely intelligent woman, who - on this occasion - has behaved like a bullying cretin.

What drove her to behave in such a way? I believe, it was a concious desire to show off and look good for the camera, coupled with a subconscious degree of jealousy of the younger, shapelier, and prettier counsellor.

By moral lecturing her young guest about the immodest way she dresses and linking it to the rape offence, Street-Porter runs the risk of inadvertently handing mitigation to perverts for their crimes, and also substantiating the claims of Muslim Fundamentalist propagandists that Western women are '*****s' and our civilisation is decadent and immoral.

There is a totally ridiculous view among some people that if a woman dresses sexily or immodestly, that she is; "asking for it". This sentiment is not just the preserve of ignorant, uneducated 'low-brows', because high ranking police officers and members of the Judiciary have notably echoed it in recent years, and now a high profile journalist and broadcaster intimates it on Daytime television.

Karen Danczuk is an attractive, young politician; she is not a 50 years old nun or a suppressed, burka-clad Muslim Fundamentalist wife. Her integrity, and prowess as a counsellor should be all that matters; not whether she partied, drank and took ecstasy as a teenager or whether she likes to display her curves or not.

I would worry more if an attractive teenage girl had not behaved like an attractive teenage girl.

As for Danczuk's dress sense in any of the photos I have seen, she is - as Liam rightly pointed out - merely displaying cleavage. She hasn't - also as Liam stated - pulled up her top and exposed her nipples.

I can't recall Edwina Currie ever dressing in any way but modestly; or to be more precise, she never provoked outrage by her dress-sense. Similarly, 'Grey' Prime Minister John Major could not have dressed any more conservatively than he did, but it did not stop these two 'role models' banging away like 'good 'uns' behind the closed doors of Westminster Palace - despite both being married to other partners.

What's more, Street-Porter is a hypocrite, because I have personally seen her on TV programs over the years when she, herself, has worn low-cut dresses which have displayed plenty of cleavage.

In fact, we are a Nation of hypocrites. The average male would take exception were he on a beach with his family, and any nearby male gave his bikini clad 18 years old daughter or bikini clad 38 year old wife more than a passing glance, but yet he will buy the Sun and ogle at a bare-breasted 18 year old 'Page 3' without a problem.

What's more, the circulation of The Sun at 2.5 million to that of The Times at 350,000 tells its own story.

To close; Owing to the size of Karen Danczuk's mammaries, I will refrain from saying that this is 'Much Ado About Nothing'.

[joeysteele]

Well if she was standing for the Council where I vote, she would easily get my vote.

Actually this is a storm in a teacup, she should be allowed to dress how she feels more comfortable, on the Council or not.
What makes the Council so special anyway.I don't think there is any dress rules for the Council anyway,which is pretty obvious looking at some the guys who get elected as Councillors.
Also what she does in her own time is little to do with us unless she is doing something criminal.

As for Janet Street Porter,since when really has she had a view that was really valid to most people anyway, I cannot think of any myself.
That woman is just opinionated and ridiculously extreme in her views too.

[user104658]

To be fair, I don't think it's so much about how she dresses as it is about her taking deliberate "boob selfies" (face and chest, taken from a slightly elevated angle, emphasizing cleavage) BUT I guess that doesn't really matter, because if she wants to take boob selfies and tweet them that's her business. Like I said earlier I find it a bit "teenagery" for an adult woman to be doing, but it's hardly a big deal.

[bots]

Everyone likes to emphasise their best features, she is no different, she has done nothing wrong whatsoever, it was purely JSP being her usual obnoxious self, arguing for the sake of it, without thinking what she was saying