[iRyan]

A plant in it's natural form, given to us by mother earth, should not be banned or illegal. It's really that simple.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by iRyan

A plant in it's natural form, given to us by mother earth, should not be banned or illegal. It's really that simple.

[Kizzy]

*Grinds up some peach pits*...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

*Grinds up some peach pits*...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Haven't you seen what's happened to Colorado? The life expectancy's sunken to 18 and the sole sources of economic activity are marijuana and sales of Twin Peaks boxsets

[Rob!]

Saying the alcohol/tobacco argument is redundant really isn't true. Simple fact is that nobody has ever died from cannabis, as opposed to the millions that have died from tobacco/drinking related illnesses.
I used to smoke it a lot more than I do now, and I can take it or leave it. I enjoy it with friends, but I wouldn't want to sit on my own smoking it all day long.
I can understand the paranoia aspect of it, it can seriously mess with your head. And there is of course merit in legalising medicinal marijuana but it wouldn't stop people getting hold of it for recreational purposes. It's the most dealt drug anywhere isn't it? (Apart from Japan who hold weed in the same regard as we would heroin for some reason. The same country who invented tentacle porn, go figure.)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by RobInnes

Saying the alcohol/tobacco argument is redundant really isn't true. Simple fact is that nobody has ever died from cannabis, as opposed to the millions that have died from tobacco/drinking related illnesses.
I used to smoke it a lot more than I do now, and I can take it or leave it. I enjoy it with friends, but I wouldn't want to sit on my own smoking it all day long.
I can understand the paranoia aspect of it, it can seriously mess with your head. And there is of course merit in legalising medicinal marijuana but it wouldn't stop people getting hold of it for recreational purposes. It's the most dealt drug anywhere isn't it? (Apart from Japan who hold weed in the same regard as we would heroin for some reason. The same country who invented tentacle porn, go figure.)

You can't state this as fact, it is redundant as they are not relevant. It's like comparing smoking cannabis to taking painkillers, they have different effects and affect different parts of the body.

[Rob!]

It IS relevant though - drinking and smoking are so much more detrimental to the body than marijuana. Two much more harmful drugs are legal and easy to get hold of.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Rob!

It IS relevant though - drinking and smoking are so much more detrimental to the body than marijuana. Two much more harmful drugs are legal and easy to get hold of.

Its not relevant actually. Each substance should be viewed independently. Just because there are are some killer substances out there that are still legal, doesn't make it right to make another legal.

[Northern Monkey]

Legalise it,Regulate it and tax it.Put the dealers out of business,Up the quality and make money from it to put back into the NHS.

[kirklancaster]

"It doubles risk of developing psychotic disorders, including schizophrenia "

I totally agree with this, and would say paranoia is the most common risk of heavy usage.

Sustained heavy usage also has a permanent degenerative effect on reflex actions and cognitive thought process.

From 'Green Lebanese' to '**** Black' I have smoked resin and bush when I was younger, but quit after a couple of years. Some of my contemporaries didn't and I have seen so many of them FKed up by their continued usage as a result.

I used to box (not professionally) as did some of my friends mentioned above - and over the years in the ring, I witnessed some of these friends become 'unaccountably' slow to throw punches and slow to react to punches. It become noticeable too that their 'punch resistance' was degenerating; the slightest cuff often downed them.

I knew these young guys - they trained, they were outwardly fit, and I could only attribute these changes to their continued heavy use of cannabis. I have also witnessed this 'phenomenon' in professional boxers over the years; brilliantly gifted technical boxers, rising stars and seasoned champions, who deteriorated, started to lose for no reason, and even be KO'd by seemingly light taps. In all cases, the boxers in question have been young black men who 'off the record' were well known to enjoy too much clubbing and too much 'whacky Baccy'.

Like all mind-altering chemical substances - including alcohol - moderation is the key, but for anyone with an 'addictive personality', the continued heavy smoking of cannabis is like dousing yourself with petrol and walking through a hoop of flame.

As for legalising it; it is inevitable. All Governments are useless when it comes to Economic Policies, but unlike the ordinary citizens - who 'crash and burn' if they can't run their budgets or businesses successfully - Government fiscal inefficiency is hidden by their access to reserves of 'funds' via increased borrowing, increased taxation, and the implementation of ever increasingly ingenious forms of 'stealth tax.

Despite this 'reserve' continually being replenished, the rate of replenishment cannot keep pace with the rate of expenditure; mismanagement, gross ineptitude, corruption, an ever increasingly lunatic Benefits System, and the spiralling costs of war, are draining the tank.

The UK Government cannot continue raising taxes and cannot borrow any more money, but they need increased revenue, and quangos and 'think tanks' are already analysing the best way forward to 'legalise' cannabis - take my word for it.

Currently in the UK, and since 2006, only 'Savitex' - a cannabis derivative product – can be legally prescribed by GP's, but only 'privately', 'at their own risk', and only for a narrow band of ailments; including Multiple Sclerosis -- though the ever wily old UK Government have made provision that doctors can also prescribe Savitex for 'other' illnesses 'outside' of the authorisation.

Unlike 'Methadone' - an heroin substitute opiate - which is indiscriminately prescribed under the National Health Service by GP's to Heroin addicts and used to be merely handed to them by pharmacists in a 'takeaway' bottle (a la cough medicine) only to be sold by the addict to other addicts as a means of raising revenue to buy 'kosher' heroin, there is no real black market trade in Savitex.

However, the fact remains that in one form at least, cannabis has already been legalised by the UK Government and in my opinion, this legislation was only a forerunner of things to come; governmental 'testing of the water', so to speak.

I predict that the time is more imminent than we may think, when companies like RYO and Imperial Tobacco will compete and 'tender' for a Government licence to manufacture and sell legal cannabis cigarettes and pre-packed loose bush for the 'roll your own' market, and other pharmaceutical companies will tender for a licence to produce cannabis derived pills and potions in a vast array of products.

The above will coincide with the implementation of more rigorous policing of any illegal growing or selling of cannabis, coupled with more draconian sentencing for those who get caught cultivating or dealing it.

It will also later spawn further multi-million pound contracts being awarded to pharmaceutical companies by the UK Government to supply a whole new plethora of drugs via the National Health, to satisfy a rapidly increasing demand for the treatment of all kinds of mental illnesses, ranging from schizophrenia to paranoid delusions.

Good business all round for the boys-- eh?

This is my opinion and not meant to offend or cause 'virtual fistfights' between forum members. However -- if it does let's hope one of the combatants is not a heavy cannabis user, or it could be a short fight.

[Kizzy]

Good post kirk.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Good post kirk.

Thank you Kizzy.

[InOne]

It's damaging for people who smoke copious amounts of it from a young age. Like everything else, moderation is key.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

becky

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Scott

becky

Yes.

[Withano]

I've never met a pothead and thought to myself 'wow you're a really suave, well put together guy' Most of them are scruffy unemployed messes. It could be great if people used the drug for medical reasons but nearly all the UK users do not. They misuse the drug to fill the time between not having a job and sleeping.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by iRyan

A plant in it's natural form, given to us by mother earth, should not be banned or illegal. It's really that simple.

this include magic mushrooms and dozens of poisonous berries yh? they should just sell them in Sainsburys.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

this include magic mushrooms and dozens of poisonous berries yh? they should just sell them in Sainsburys.

I've never met a pothead and thought to myself 'wow you're a really suave, well put together guy' Most of them are scruffy unemployed messes. It could be great if people used the drug for medical reasons but nearly all the UK users do not. They misuse the drug to fill the time between not having a job and sleeping.
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2 good posts.

[Nedusa]

Because it's a highly addictive highly potent psychosis inducing , mental health inducing drug that takes ordinary young people and turns them into middle aged, zombified, useless, poverty stricken, do nothing mindless couch potatoes...


Is that enough reasons ?




.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Because it's a highly addictive highly potent psychosis inducing , mental health inducing drug that takes ordinary young people and turns them into middle aged, zombified, useless, poverty stricken, do nothing mindless couch potatoes...


Is that enough reasons ?




.

[Bluerang1]

It should be legal, less risk of bad dealings

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

"It doubles risk of developing psychotic disorders, including schizophrenia "

I totally agree with this, and would say paranoia is the most common risk of heavy usage.

Sustained heavy usage also has a permanent degenerative effect on reflex actions and cognitive thought process.

From 'Green Lebanese' to '**** Black' I have smoked resin and bush when I was younger, but quit after a couple of years. Some of my contemporaries didn't and I have seen so many of them FKed up by their continued usage as a result.

I used to box (not professionally) as did some of my friends mentioned above - and over the years in the ring, I witnessed some of these friends become 'unaccountably' slow to throw punches and slow to react to punches. It become noticeable too that their 'punch resistance' was degenerating; the slightest cuff often downed them.

I knew these young guys - they trained, they were outwardly fit, and I could only attribute these changes to their continued heavy use of cannabis. I have also witnessed this 'phenomenon' in professional boxers over the years; brilliantly gifted technical boxers, rising stars and seasoned champions, who deteriorated, started to lose for no reason, and even be KO'd by seemingly light taps. In all cases, the boxers in question have been young black men who 'off the record' were well known to enjoy too much clubbing and too much 'whacky Baccy'.

Like all mind-altering chemical substances - including alcohol - moderation is the key, but for anyone with an 'addictive personality', the continued heavy smoking of cannabis is like dousing yourself with petrol and walking through a hoop of flame.

As for legalising it; it is inevitable. All Governments are useless when it comes to Economic Policies, but unlike the ordinary citizens - who 'crash and burn' if they can't run their budgets or businesses successfully - Government fiscal inefficiency is hidden by their access to reserves of 'funds' via increased borrowing, increased taxation, and the implementation of ever increasingly ingenious forms of 'stealth tax.

Despite this 'reserve' continually being replenished, the rate of replenishment cannot keep pace with the rate of expenditure; mismanagement, gross ineptitude, corruption, an ever increasingly lunatic Benefits System, and the spiralling costs of war, are draining the tank.

The UK Government cannot continue raising taxes and cannot borrow any more money, but they need increased revenue, and quangos and 'think tanks' are already analysing the best way forward to 'legalise' cannabis - take my word for it.

Currently in the UK, and since 2006, only 'Savitex' - a cannabis derivative product – can be legally prescribed by GP's, but only 'privately', 'at their own risk', and only for a narrow band of ailments; including Multiple Sclerosis -- though the ever wily old UK Government have made provision that doctors can also prescribe Savitex for 'other' illnesses 'outside' of the authorisation.

Unlike 'Methadone' - an heroin substitute opiate - which is indiscriminately prescribed under the National Health Service by GP's to Heroin addicts and used to be merely handed to them by pharmacists in a 'takeaway' bottle (a la cough medicine) only to be sold by the addict to other addicts as a means of raising revenue to buy 'kosher' heroin, there is no real black market trade in Savitex.

However, the fact remains that in one form at least, cannabis has already been legalised by the UK Government and in my opinion, this legislation was only a forerunner of things to come; governmental 'testing of the water', so to speak.

I predict that the time is more imminent than we may think, when companies like RYO and Imperial Tobacco will compete and 'tender' for a Government licence to manufacture and sell legal cannabis cigarettes and pre-packed loose bush for the 'roll your own' market, and other pharmaceutical companies will tender for a licence to produce cannabis derived pills and potions in a vast array of products.

The above will coincide with the implementation of more rigorous policing of any illegal growing or selling of cannabis, coupled with more draconian sentencing for those who get caught cultivating or dealing it.

It will also later spawn further multi-million pound contracts being awarded to pharmaceutical companies by the UK Government to supply a whole new plethora of drugs via the National Health, to satisfy a rapidly increasing demand for the treatment of all kinds of mental illnesses, ranging from schizophrenia to paranoid delusions.

Good business all round for the boys-- eh?

This is my opinion and not meant to offend or cause 'virtual fistfights' between forum members. However -- if it does let's hope one of the combatants is not a heavy cannabis user, or it could be a short fight.

Well said!

Originally Posted by Withano

I've never met a pothead and thought to myself 'wow you're a really suave, well put together guy' Most of them are scruffy unemployed messes. It could be great if people used the drug for medical reasons but nearly all the UK users do not. They misuse the drug to fill the time between not having a job and sleeping.

Same here tbh...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Bluerang1

It should be legal, less risk of bad dealings

Let's legalise cocaine too to stop the dodgy dealings involved with that.

[Samm]

Ew no cigarettes smell horrid, I don't want more things that smell rank when I'm in town