[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jules2

For me Arista I cannot imagine a "God" making something so precious and beautiful as the earth and the positive will of mankind. A true parent would have patience and try to teach. Mind you I guess if some wont listen and they go their own way but, at the end of the day, freewill was also invented much to the distress of the negativity of the world.

Jules; God gave Man the Commandments, Scriptures and prophets to "try to teach". When Man still refused to learn, he gave Man his only son to reiterate those teachings and Man crucified him for his troubles.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Jules; God gave Man the Commandments, Scriptures and prophets to "try to teach". When Man still refused to learn, he gave Man his only son to reiterate those teachings and Man crucified him for his troubles.

Morning Kirk, sorry but I cannot accept that Jesus was the only son of "God", I still believe in that total energy which was sectioned by man. I think we are all part and parcel of the scheme of things, one could say we are all sons/daughters of "God".

I do believe in the mystical side of the Assenes, I believe that Jesus taught from a higher realm of understanding but his teachings have been abused by many. He tried to show the way of uniting with the mystical side of life, didnt he say "come follow me".

As I have said though I enjoy and respect everyones view, it is a sad sad thing that we had to have headings and so many religions as if we look into many the meaning is the same and man just argues over the words.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Morning Kirk, sorry but I cannot accept that Jesus was the only son of "God", I still believe in that total energy which was sectioned by man. I think we are all part and parcel of the scheme of things, one could say we are all sons/daughters of "God".

I do believe in the mystical side of the Assenes, I believe that Jesus taught from a higher realm of understanding but his teachings have been abused by many. He tried to show the way of uniting with the mystical side of life, didnt he say "come follow me".

As I have said though I enjoy and respect everyones view, it is a sad sad thing that we had to have headings and so many religions as if we look into many the meaning is the same and man just argues over the words.

Good Morning - or afternoon now Jules. Just want to assure you that my response to you was merely to inform you - or remind you - that as a 'parent' God has displayed infinite patience and there are innumerable examples of his 'teaching' - as I identified before.

You are of course, correct in your assertion that we are all 'God's Children' - in as much as if God created Mankind then he is essentially Our Father', but the accepted perception of Jesus being 'God's Only Son' refers to the fact that in the case of Mankind, God (merely)created them, whereas Jesus was actually 'fathered' by God - a direct result of the Virgin Mary's Immaculate Conception.

I am struggling here to be honest, severely limited by intellectual capacity and vocabulary, but I hope the above makes sense. Perhaps I can better illustrate what I mean by the following:

Not many people may be aware of the sub-text in films, but the blockbuster sci fi movie; 'The Terminator', contains an allegory about Jesus Christ.

The plot summary is that in the year 2029, a computer called Skynet tries to eradicate Mankind and is fighting a final battle against a human resistance force - the last hopes of Mankind - led by an inspired man called John Connor. Skynet has virtually indestructible Cyborgs called 'Terminators' and it sends one back in time to 1984 Los Angeles to seek out and kill John's (future) mother Sarah, to prevent his birth.

Aware of this, the resistance in 2029 sends their own human warrior Kyle Reese back to 1984 Los Angeles to also find Sarah, and to stop the Terminator from killing her.

Kyle and Sarah fall in love and mate, and the film ends with Kyle dead, the Terminator destroyed, and Sarah alive and pregnant with Kyle's baby - the soon to be born John, future leader of the resistance.

So here we have a future final battle (Armageddon) between Good (Mankind) and Evil (The Machines) which could be the end of Man. We have a woman Sarah (The Virgin Mary) who is impregnated by Kyle - a 'Ghost' or man who does not exist in her time but is from the Future - a paradoxical (Immaculate) Conception). The son of this union is John Connor (J.C. -- Jesus Christ) the future 'Messiah' and 'Saviour of Mankind'.

Not a perfect allegory but close enough to use in attempt to better explain my point:

In his own time, Kyle could father as many children as he liked but John Connor would remain truly unique because of the unique circumstances of his birth.

Nope --It doesn't really help.

Anyway, Jules keep posting. I value your views and your civility.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Good Morning - or afternoon now Jules. Just want to assure you that my response to you was merely to inform you - or remind you - that as a 'parent' God has displayed infinite patience and there are innumerable examples of his 'teaching' - as I identified before.

You are of course, correct in your assertion that we are all 'God's Children' - in as much as if God created Mankind then he is essentially Our Father', but the accepted perception of Jesus being 'God's Only Son' refers to the fact that in the case of Mankind, God (merely)created them, whereas Jesus was actually 'fathered' by God - a direct result of the Virgin Mary's Immaculate Conception.

I am struggling here to be honest, severely limited by intellectual capacity and vocabulary, but I hope the above makes sense. Perhaps I can better illustrate what I mean by the following:

Not many people may be aware of the sub-text in films, but the blockbuster sci fi movie; 'The Terminator', contains an allegory about Jesus Christ.

The plot summary is that in the year 2029, a computer called Skynet tries to eradicate Mankind and is fighting a final battle against a human resistance force - the last hopes of Mankind - led by an inspired man called John Connor. Skynet has virtually indestructible Cyborgs called 'Terminators' and it sends one back in time to 1984 Los Angeles to seek out and kill John's (future) mother Sarah, to prevent his birth.

Aware of this, the resistance in 2029 sends their own human warrior Kyle Reese back to 1984 Los Angeles to also find Sarah, and to stop the Terminator from killing her.

Kyle and Sarah fall in love and mate, and the film ends with Kyle dead, the Terminator destroyed, and Sarah alive and pregnant with Kyle's baby - the soon to be born John, future leader of the resistance.

So here we have a future final battle (Armageddon) between Good (Mankind) and Evil (The Machines) which could be the end of Man. We have a woman Sarah (The Virgin Mary) who is impregnated by Kyle - a 'Ghost' or man who does not exist in her time but is from the Future - a paradoxical (Immaculate) Conception). The son of this union is John Connor (J.C. -- Jesus Christ) the future 'Messiah' and 'Saviour of Mankind'.

Not a perfect allegory but close enough to use in attempt to better explain my point:

In his own time, Kyle could father as many children as he liked but John Connor would remain truly unique because of the unique circumstances of his birth.

Nope --It doesn't really help.

Anyway, Jules keep posting. I value your views and your civility.

Aw Kirk, I see what you are saying tbh but I am still stuck with the energy thing and I have to question the immaculate conception. We are definitely on different wavelengths with these things. There is much to mull over tbh and I will keep my "door" open. Are you looking at God as a person for did he not say I will create man in mine own image?

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Jules2;7323427]Aw Kirk, I see what you are saying tbh but I am still stuck with the energy thing

I don't know what God is, or what he looks like, I just believe there is one.

I don't think one can take too literal or narrow a view to be honest, there are so many variables to consider --

-- When God said he would make man in his own image, who knows in what context he meant that? Perhaps God is a formless energy who knows that Man will ultimately evolve into just that - in much the same way as a newborn baby or a tadpole resembles nothing like what they will ultimately develop into.

Perhaps God is pure formless energy, for when Moses came down from Sinai with the Commandments, he had undergone a physical change by being in God's presence. His face 'glowed':

"There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light." - Matthew 17:2.

I find it incredible that anyone can have difficulty accepting The Immaculate Conception, when Artificial Insemination - conception without sex - is now so commonplace. If Man can achieve this why can't God?

Anyway, on 'different wavelengths' we may but it's good to talk.