[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

agreed, the cheap shots against Religion are pathetic, so many anti religious haters, or atheists know little or nothing of theology and take bits and pieces of works and tales way out of context to support their agenda. I also agree the tendency to take everything far too literally is frankly moronic. such people need to heavily medicated

Whose gospel is that?!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

FK me -- Peed meself again

I hope you had a tena lady handy.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Whose gospel is that?!

"The Truth, Post 416, 14 10 14"

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Whose gospel is that?!

the gospel of the truth

[Kizzy]

Is your god the vengeful one or the meek one?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is your god the vengeful one or the meek one?

God has a capital G for starters

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can't touch me, I'm the immaculate heart innit?

Ridicule is the first and last argument of a fool.
Charles Simmons

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

God has a capital G for starters

How about I call him the big G? G man? the G meister?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How about I call him the big G? G man? the G meister?

nah but you can name yourself a predictably tedious attention seeker

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Ridicule is the first and last argument of a fool.
Charles Simmons

'Nor understandeth what she sayeth'

The scoffer, the worst form of fool, is not only to be avoided, but is to be driven away.

Drive out the scoffer, and contention will go out, Even strife and dishonor will cease (22:10).

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

nah but you can name yourself a predictably tedious attention seeker

I'm a truth seeker, but now I've found you I want to lose you again.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by the truth

nah but you can name yourself a predictably tedious attention seeker

omg slay hun

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;7322953][QUOTE=kirklancaster;7322008][QUOTE=Kizzy;7321969]

"It's not a private debate between kyle and yourself is it?"

No, but until your intervention it was a serious and respectful debate without a trace of ridicule from either participant.

"You were only 1200yrs out on when the bible was written then? that's reassuring. It's becoming a piece that some cherrypick from and manipulate to suit their own agenda, the whole of the King James editions for instance."


Your pedanticism is redundant and misplaced, because I actually qualified my statement by the inclusion of the word; "about".

"The messages the real messages are lost... gone.
What we have left is a mish mash of rehashed rules and regulations that make little or no sense... or their so screamingly obvious that you don't have to be a practicing a religion to know not to do them as they are morally wrong.
And we all have a conscience don't we? Free will?"

This last really puzzles me, because you quote my post, yet nowhere in my post do I address any of the points you have commented on. Therefore, your assertions in this last emboldened section are out of context and - again - misplaced and redundant. You might as well be commenting on the mating habits of Nicaraguan dwarfs.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Nor understandeth what she sayeth'

The scoffer, the worst form of fool, is not only to be avoided, but is to be driven away.

Drive out the scoffer, and contention will go out, Even strife and dishonor will cease (22:10).

Nice quote -- The only trouble is that nowhere did I scoff. That's quite patently been your practice and transparently - by the phrasing of your posts on this thread - been your intent.

In fact, since you joined, it is has now moved away from a serious interchange of views by earnest participants, and is, once again, descending into ludicrous banality verging on an exchanging of personal insults. Therefore Goodnight, I will participate no more.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i am slain

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Scott

i am slain

Wow -- A message from beyond the grave. Proof of the afterlife at last.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i love you kirklancaster

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Scott

i love you kirklancaster

I reciprocate Scott.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

*we've only just begun plays*

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Scott

*we've only just begun plays*

[Ammi]

..I agree with Livia in that it's about what we feel ourselves and about interpretations as well..I think that religion is like anything in that there is 'good' or 'bad' that we can take from most things..and also our own personal faiths/beliefs/philosophies/'meanings' etc can't be 'proven' as such because they are just 'feelings'...with 'non believers' as in scientists etc though, they may hold no religious beliefs and only believe in the 'proven', the 'science' of it..but surely there is still something in their lives that can't be 'proven' which they do believe in..?..maybe they believe in love because they have experienced it but it's just a 'feeling'..they believe in sadness/in anger etc..because they 'feel them' or have felt them/experienced them but you can't 'prove' them..I'm sure there are also scientists who spend their lifetimes trying to prove what is their own personal theories on something but never do, so in essence that thing never 'existed' for them yet it was something that they believed to be true..a 'faith'...or if they were to get married and make a vow..?...'for the rest of out lives'...it's a belief/a 'leap of faith' in something that is an uncertainty....


..anyway, I'm just going to go back the school thing because it's something that while I agree that it's wrong to 'indoctrinate' and I'm sure that happens in some schools but that for me would be an 'extreme', whereas there are many, many schools who 'take the good, the positive' of religion and apply it/interpret it in a way that helps children to understand things like empathy, tolerance and understandings etc..'the thought of others'...I was just thinking this morning about the most recent example of the 'good' of something which is 'church' related..this was the Harvest celebration which we hold in church/very much church related...something that we as a school and also the Vicar talk to the children about before they have their assembly and they bring in something/produce to be given to local shelters for homeless etc in a way of..'well, most of us are ok because we have families/parents who care for us/feed us..have nice warm houses etc..but what about those who don't/who aren't so fortunate..?..and teaching them to see 'beyond' and feel empathy for others...because from a very young age, it's something that is a 'positive lesson'...much the same as with charities we support, which the children choose themselves..in doing that, they research/gain knowledge/understanding/tolerance etc and things that help them to 'grow'...maybe something that could help give their lives 'meaning'..?..

...but it's much in the same way that we also acknowledge non religious things also..for instance, we respect and acknowledge the silence of Remembrance Day and for those who have died for something they believed in/had faith in...'to provoke thoughts of those who whose lives were different' and less fortunate...


..there are lots of things in life that will 'work' for some and not for others and bring positive things in their lives and with that, those positive things will be felt by the people around them/the people they care about and maybe even more than that..I believe in certain things like CBT..I believe in it because it's something that has been a big part of my life and something that has worked for me personally at a time when I needed it but there would be others who it wouldn't work for at all because we're all different..so for them 'it doesn't exist' as a 'life philosophy' or something that has any meaning in their lives but it does exist because it does exist for some people and they have 'faith' in it...religion can bring and does bring positives to people's lives and those positives can effect other things and other people as well as themselves so that's very 'real'..if it brings prejudices/intolerances and negatives as well, then that's that person's own interpretations...in lots of people's lives/most people's lives there is fairly much a lot of rubbish that will bring you down to a low place as well as the good stuff and whether it be a religious faith/a therapy/family, friends/medication etc..it's just drawing on what helps for that person, no matter what that is...


...anyway, because it's coming up to that time of year again, I was also thinking about the 'meaning' of Christmas and I guess back to the 'feeling' which also made me think about World War 1 with the Christmas Day Truce which for me shows the 'feeling' of Christmas Day so well ..there are people who don't 'believe' in Christmas at all and that can be for very good reasons or personal experience to them and it can be a time of great sadness for some people..'the worst time of the year'...there are people who believe in it as a day of celebrating a birth of 'Christ'..or a belief in Father Christmas of gifts etc...for me personally and I think probably lots of others, it's a 'feel good thing' as well as other stuff ..a time where it feels as though people are a little more thoughtful..?..where there is excitement about buying gifts for the people we care about/seeing the excitement of our children, lots of good things apart from the shopping bit...maybe not related to the topic at all but for me it is in that it takes the positive from something and creates a good feeling for a lot of people because of the interpretations they themselves have of it..and for me personally, it is all to do with interpretations...if religion is interpreted as intolerances and prejudice, it's because of the person interpreting it and not the religion itself....


..so anyway, lots of morning thoughts...

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Leviticus 20:13New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

but gay men don't have sex with women, so really this is just against bisexuals.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jules2

For me Arista I cannot imagine a "God" making something so precious and beautiful as the earth and the positive will of mankind. A true parent would have patience and try to teach. Mind you I guess if some wont listen and they go their own way but, at the end of the day, freewill was also invented much to the distress of the negativity of the world.

Jules; God gave Man the Commandments, Scriptures and prophets to "try to teach". When Man still refused to learn, he gave Man his only son to reiterate those teachings and Man crucified him for his troubles.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I agree with Livia in that it's about what we feel ourselves and about interpretations as well..I think that religion is like anything in that there is 'good' or 'bad' that we can take from most things..and also our own personal faiths/beliefs/philosophies/'meanings' etc can't be 'proven' as such because they are just 'feelings'...with 'non believers' as in scientists etc though, they may hold no religious beliefs and only believe in the 'proven', the 'science' of it..but surely there is still something in their lives that can't be 'proven' which they do believe in..?..maybe they believe in love because they have experienced it but it's just a 'feeling'..they believe in sadness/in anger etc..because they 'feel them' or have felt them/experienced them but you can't 'prove' them..I'm sure there are also scientists who spend their lifetimes trying to prove what is their own personal theories on something but never do, so in essence that thing never 'existed' for them yet it was something that they believed to be true..a 'faith'...or if they were to get married and make a vow..?...'for the rest of out lives'...it's a belief/a 'leap of faith' in something that is an uncertainty....


..anyway, I'm just going to go back the school thing because it's something that while I agree that it's wrong to 'indoctrinate' and I'm sure that happens in some schools but that for me would be an 'extreme', whereas there are many, many schools who 'take the good, the positive' of religion and apply it/interpret it in a way that helps children to understand things like empathy, tolerance and understandings etc..'the thought of others'...I was just thinking this morning about the most recent example of the 'good' of something which is 'church' related..this was the Harvest celebration which we hold in church/very much church related...something that we as a school and also the Vicar talk to the children about before they have their assembly and they bring in something/produce to be given to local shelters for homeless etc in a way of..'well, most of us are ok because we have families/parents who care for us/feed us..have nice warm houses etc..but what about those who don't/who aren't so fortunate..?..and teaching them to see 'beyond' and feel empathy for others...because from a very young age, it's something that is a 'positive lesson'...much the same as with charities we support, which the children choose themselves..in doing that, they research/gain knowledge/understanding/tolerance etc and things that help them to 'grow'...maybe something that could help give their lives 'meaning'..?..

...but it's much in the same way that we also acknowledge non religious things also..for instance, we respect and acknowledge the silence of Remembrance Day and for those who have died for something they believed in/had faith in...'to provoke thoughts of those who whose lives were different' and less fortunate...


..there are lots of things in life that will 'work' for some and not for others and bring positive things in their lives and with that, those positive things will be felt by the people around them/the people they care about and maybe even more than that..I believe in certain things like CBT..I believe in it because it's something that has been a big part of my life and something that has worked for me personally at a time when I needed it but there would be others who it wouldn't work for at all because we're all different..so for them 'it doesn't exist' as a 'life philosophy' or something that has any meaning in their lives but it does exist because it does exist for some people and they have 'faith' in it...religion can bring and does bring positives to people's lives and those positives can effect other things and other people as well as themselves so that's very 'real'..if it brings prejudices/intolerances and negatives as well, then that's that person's own interpretations...in lots of people's lives/most people's lives there is fairly much a lot of rubbish that will bring you down to a low place as well as the good stuff and whether it be a religious faith/a therapy/family, friends/medication etc..it's just drawing on what helps for that person, no matter what that is...


...anyway, because it's coming up to that time of year again, I was also thinking about the 'meaning' of Christmas and I guess back to the 'feeling' which also made me think about World War 1 with the Christmas Day Truce which for me shows the 'feeling' of Christmas Day so well ..there are people who don't 'believe' in Christmas at all and that can be for very good reasons or personal experience to them and it can be a time of great sadness for some people..'the worst time of the year'...there are people who believe in it as a day of celebrating a birth of 'Christ'..or a belief in Father Christmas of gifts etc...for me personally and I think probably lots of others, it's a 'feel good thing' as well as other stuff ..a time where it feels as though people are a little more thoughtful..?..where there is excitement about buying gifts for the people we care about/seeing the excitement of our children, lots of good things apart from the shopping bit...maybe not related to the topic at all but for me it is in that it takes the positive from something and creates a good feeling for a lot of people because of the interpretations they themselves have of it..and for me personally, it is all to do with interpretations...if religion is interpreted as intolerances and prejudice, it's because of the person interpreting it and not the religion itself....


..so anyway, lots of morning thoughts...

Simply beautiful Ammi, and valid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Problem is religious people think that its the religion telling them to love they neighbour and be kind etc

meanwhile everyone else just does that as it is common sense.