[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You shouldn't need the Lords to do that though. A proper Constitution/Bill of Rights could serve the same purpose of protection.

It goes back
from before America was born
The Lords is still needed in England


Those old gits get £300 a day tax free
because they made the rules up
that needs to change

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You shouldn't need the Lords to do that though. A proper Constitution/Bill of Rights could serve the same purpose of protection.

I agree Lostalex, however it is by whom such a bill of rights would be made from and more to the point who puts the input into compiling same.

Sadly the Political parties in the UK are too full of self interest and one party,in fact 2 of them together,could not be, (I certainly wouldn't),be trusted to bring in such a bill of rights.

It is something that would need the biggest consultation yet of the whole of the people of the UK and all the areas of interested parties too, finally the cooperation of full areement for all inclusions by all the Parties of the whole UK too.

Therein lies the UKs major problem as to the people it elects to power,in the absence of all that, it would seem it is the Lords chamber that we are stuck with.
I really cannot see a major change coming about at all,(although I would love to see it happen),this is always an issue that just gets a lot of hot air said as to it but then always gets shelved by all Govts.

[lostalex]

I see what you are saying, perhaps then you could ask an international body like The Commonwealth to draft a Constitution. With no input from any major UK political party. If the Uk actually believes in it's Commonwealth partners, let them draft a Constitution. Let it be a Constitution for all of the Commonwealth. A Bill of Rights that transcends all petty party politic/. An institution that provides basic human rights and codifies basic law in real permanent language for all of the lands of the Commonwealth.

I suggest the US Constitution as a starting point. Try to make a better US Constitution. Everyone loves to say they can do better than the US, so take our document and prove us wrong, make it better.

[Northern Monkey]

See,This is what happens when a Tory MP opens his mouth..........
The truth comes out of it.
These kind of things are what i believe alot of these MP's think privately but usually have the common sense not to air in public.
These people don't care about us.
I was in a local chippy today and overheard somebody saying that someone they knew was in court because they have a disabled family member and were being hit with the bedroom tax which they can't afford and they needed two rooms so that family members/carers can stay over to care for them.This is how this government treat disabled people,No compassion.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

See,This is what happens when a Tory MP opens his mouth..........
The truth comes out of it.
These kind of things are what i believe alot of these MP's think privately but usually have the common sense not to air in public.
These people don't care about us.
[B]I was in a local chippy today and overheard somebody saying that someone they knew was in court because they have a disabled family member and were being hit with the bedroom tax which they can't afford and they needed two rooms so that family members/carers can stay over to care for them.This is how this government treat disabled people,No compassion.

[/B


This is the case a lot more than many people think it is EyeballPaul.
What you have heard there is what I have come across loads in the last near 18 months since this accursed policy came into action

The Govt. and Ian Duncan Smith have been told repeatedly by the CAB, Welfare rights organisations,carers and charities who all deal with the disabled as to this happening and it is always dismissed by them.

This policy is a disgrace and it says everything about the people who introduced it as to how petty, rotten and heartless they really are towards people who are the most vulnerable.

Totally disgusting and also discriminating too, this policy is costing as much,if not more, to implement than it is saving anything of note.
Truly beyond any rational defence.

[Livia]

His full and frank apology is worthless from someone in his position. It's out there now. You can't unring a bell.