[Niall]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, the land of the American Dream, where any billionaire oil baron's son can become president.

And where police officers can shoot and choke black people to death with absolutely no punishment. What a beautiful country.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niall

And where police officers can shoot and choke black people to death with absolutely no punishment. What a beautiful country.

says someone that had riots in their own country because the police killed a black person...

yea, America is so much worse...hypocrite.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by lostalex

says someone that had riots in their own country because the police killed a black person...

yea, America is so much worse...hypocrite.

I'm sorry, but how many people have been shot by police since then? Zero. Z e r o. And in that particular instance not only was Mark Duggan a proven criminal, but it was a carefully orchestrated thing.

On your side of the water however? There's no officially released figure for how many people are shot by the police year on year, but it's known that it's far higher than any other nation in the world. Year on year scores of individuals - vast swathes of them black men and women - are shot to death rather needlessly by heavy handed police officers. Or, as in the case of Darren Wilson, racist police officers (as shown by his connections to the KKK)!

The British police are by no means perfect, but the kinds of institutionally racist oppression that the American cops push down on people of colour isn't something that's ****ing mirrored here so no, I am not a hypocrite.

For example, I don't recall British cops strangling a man to death and then pretending he's not dead like this, and then refusing to indict the officer. Nor have I ever seen footage of this calibre over and over of police brutalising innocent citizens here in Britain.

So yes, America is far far worse.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niall

I'm sorry, but how many people have been shot by police since then? Zero. Z e r o. And in that particular instance not only was Mark Duggan a proven criminal, but it was a carefully orchestrated thing.

On your side of the water however? There's no officially released figure for how many people are shot by the police year on year, but it's known that it's far higher than any other nation in the world. Year on year scores of individuals - vast swathes of them black men and women - are shot to death rather needlessly by heavy handed police officers. Or, as in the case of Darren Wilson, racist police officers (as shown by his connections to the KKK)!

The British police are by no means perfect, but the kinds of institutionally racist oppression that the American cops push down on people of colour isn't something that's ****ing mirrored here so no, I am not a hypocrite.

For example, I don't recall British cops strangling a man to death and then pretending he's not dead like this, and then refusing to indict the officer. Nor have I ever seen footage of this calibre over and over of police brutalising innocent citizens here in Britain.

So yes, America is far far worse.

and yet, black people are more disproportionately searched and harassed in Britain than in America... but we've got the race problem... okey dokey.

Thugs getting killed for thuggery has nothing to do with racism.

America is the least racist country in the entire world. fact.

[Tom4784]

This is a topic about America so keep it on topic.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is a topic about America so keep it on topic.

This is NOT a topic about America, it's a topic about having Clintons and Bushes running for president. I'm not the one that went off topic.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

This is NOT a topic about America, it's a topic about having Clintons and Bushes running for president. I'm not the one that went off topic.

Well unless one of them decides to run for Prime Minister, there is no reason to bring up the UK and and certainly no excuse to try to turn this into a UK vs US topic like you do with every thread.

It is dull, stop it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well unless one of them decides to run for Prime Minister, there is no reason to bring up the UK and and certainly no excuse to try to turn this into a UK vs US topic like you do with every thread.

It is dull, stop it.

You don't think it's relevant to compare America's highest political position and democratic process to other countries, but you think it's okay for him to start talking about race relations in america and police which has nothing to do with the president or elections?

And don't tell me i am dull, that's a personal attack, and again has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

This thread is about political dynasties, so of course it makes sense to compare Amwerica's system to political dynasties in other countries. That's not dull, it is directly relevant to the topic.

[JoshBB]

Hate american politics, it's literally choosing from two horrific candidates.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JollyBB

Hate american politics, it's literally choosing from two horrific candidates.

can you name a country that has tons of great candidates to choose from?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by JollyBB

Hate american politics, it's literally choosing from two horrific candidates.

Sounds very much like British politics.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You don't think it's relevant to compare America's highest political position and democratic process to other countries, but you think it's okay for him to start talking about race relations in america and police which has nothing to do with the president or elections?

And don't tell me i am dull, that's a personal attack, and again has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

This thread is about political dynasties, so of course it makes sense to compare Amwerica's system to political dynasties in other countries. That's not dull, it is directly relevant to the topic.

Issues of race has everything to do with American politics, it's a big political issue at the moment, Ferguson and other racially motivated incidents in America certainly has more to do with American politics then it does with British politics.

You will be infracted the next time I see you try to derail a thread because you can't handle criticism aimed at America because it happens far too often. End of discussion.

[Marsh.]

[Niall]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and yet, black people are more disproportionately searched and harassed in Britain than in America... but we've got the race problem... okey dokey.

Thugs getting killed for thuggery has nothing to do with racism.

America is the least racist country in the entire world. fact.

Prove it? And even if they were frisked more over here they still aren't fucking shot to death like they are in the states are they?

Blaming it on black people being 'thugs' is an incredibly racist way of looking at it. Good job!

And if that's true then I'm Donatella fucking Verscae. Britain might not be perfect when it comes to racial issues but at least our cops don't have connections to Racist organisations, and at least we don't let such cops get off scot free with six figure pay outs after they murder black people. Now hush.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Issues of race has everything to do with American politics, it's a big political issue at the moment, Ferguson and other racially motivated incidents in America certainly has more to do with American politics then it does with British politics.

You will be infracted the next time I see you try to derail a thread because you can't handle criticism aimed at America because it happens far too often. End of discussion.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niall

Prove it? And even if they were frisked more over here they still aren't fucking shot to death like they are in the states are they?

Blaming it on black people being 'thugs' is an incredibly racist way of looking at it. Good job!

And if that's true then I'm Donatella fucking Verscae. Britain might not be perfect when it comes to racial issues but at least our cops don't have connections to Racist organisations, and at least we don't let such cops get off scot free with six figure pay outs after they murder black people. Now hush.

wtf are you talking about? when did i blame it on black people being thugs? i blamed thugs getting shot by the cops on them being thugs. nothing to do with being black at all.

and i already pointed out an example of a thug who was black being killed by british cops./ so...

Your post makes no sense.

[swinearefine]

Its weird how thug has now become a socially acceptable alternative to the n word. I cringe every time I hear that.

Also in today's casual USA racism, my aspiring cop, paramedic relative accidentally sent my 7 year old niece a picture of Michael Brown dead in the street with the word "merry christmas from the browns" which he meant to send to another one of my good christian relatives racism is obv a much more gigantic issue in the US right now than in the UK, to say otherwise is to exist in a fantasyland.

[the truth]

theres also the fact that the majority of black people are still poorer than the majority of white people (the mean the median and the mode etc) poorer areas, poverty etc brings with it more crime......the inequality and racism will obviously take generations to get rid of...thats all assuming the right corrective policies are pursuded...however racist bent corrupt cops are a massive problem worldwide, not least in the UK....people are killed week after week in police custody and no cop ever goes down for it.......police internal enquiries etc its frankly horrific....I see this as worse than the crime on the streets, this is an evil within. a bent cop can destroy and kill off people more than any criminal.
clearly this is racism in its more revolting form. not the petty drivel we nit pick about in the uk where we cant even have a conversation about imigration. this is real true racism institutionalised enmasse in a bent police force. though this is harldy a time for us brits to compare what we have, our cops cover up killings, they bribe or get bribed by the media the pokiticians, theyre priorities are a mess, its more like crime avoidance, drugs is infinitely more rife in the uk per head as is crime per heead, they spend more time chasing petty nonsense than tackling hard crime and drugs. incidentally what is obamas latest statement on this disaster>?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

theres also the fact that the majority of black people are still poorer than the majority of white people (the mean the median and the mode etc) poorer areas, poverty etc brings with it more crime......the inequality and racism will obviously take generations to get rid of...thats all assuming the right corrective policies are pursuded...however racist bent corrupt cops are a massive problem worldwide, not least in the UK....people are killed week after week in police custody and no cop ever goes down for it.......police internal enquiries etc its frankly horrific....I see this as worse than the crime on the streets, this is an evil within. a bent cop can destroy and kill off people more than any criminal.
clearly this is racism in its more revolting form. not the petty drivel we nit pick about in the uk where we cant even have a conversation about imigration. this is real true racism institutionalised enmasse in a bent police force. though this is harldy a time for us brits to compare what we have, our cops cover up killings, they bribe or get bribed by the media the pokiticians, theyre priorities are a mess, its more like crime avoidance, drugs is infinitely more rife in the uk per head as is crime per heead, they spend more time chasing petty nonsense than tackling hard crime and drugs. incidentally what is obamas latest statement on this disaster>?

and yet, asians are doing better than whites, so explain to me, how, f it's all about white supremacy and racism, why are asians doing better than whites in america?

Why aren't all those horrible racist white people attacking asians?