[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by Robodog

I knew you couldn't give that a straight answer because as you rightly say - the world is not as simple as that. But it should be - which is my point.

There is too much unnecessary confusion when it comes to words describing racial types. A word considered acceptable as recently as 2010 (in the census) is suddenly not acceptable come 2015. It's crazy and it causes people to be branded 'racist' today just for using a term that was acceptable yesterday - even when they have no racist intent whatsover. The goalposts moved and they never got the memo telling them what the new bad word of the day is.

I know Black people who prefer the word 'Negro' to the word 'Black' when it comes to describing their genetic lineage. They use 'negro' instead of 'black' as others would use 'caucasian' instead of 'white'. Are they wrong to have that preference?

I did not go into detail because YOU said you knew the history of the word? But hell on a subject like this I'd be more than happy to write or link you some posts detailing what that word means.

It is not acceptable now. Stick to the facts. There is a reason it has been removed from the census and a reason it is no longer used by the U.S army and a reason why that guy apologised to Obama for using it in that link I gave you.

Sure they may be some very very very old school black people who still accept the word. But times have changed. The fact someone apologised to Obama for using the word says it all don't you think? And don't think of it as just a spanish word or an Italian word. Think of it from UK perspective.

[Robodog]

Well i'm mixed race and i've got no problem in describing my 'negro' genetics as such, same goes for my family. Same as i have no problem in describing my 'caucasian' genetics in the exact same terms.

But what word would you have us use in place of 'negro' then? Not that it matters, i'm just curious as to what your choice of acceptable language is.

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Well i'm mixed race and i've got no problem in describing my 'negro' genetics as such, same goes for my family. Same as i have no problem in describing my 'caucasian' genetics in the exact same terms.

But what word would you have us use in place of 'negro' then? Not that it matters, i'm just curious as to what your choice of acceptable language is.

You cannot compare caucasian and Negro.. Black is the acceptable term nowadays.. Whereas back in the day it was vice versa.. Times change, we just have to respect and accept that certain words are and can become taboo.

If I know a simple word can offend someone, I will refrain from using it. That is not really a big ask is it?

Read this : http://time.com/3561227/u-s-army-pla...of-word-negro/

[Jose Mourinho]

People are just thinking of it as a word.. sure Caucasian would be the equivalent but they both have VERY different symbolic meanings.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

You cannot compare caucasian and Negro.. Black is the acceptable term nowadays.. Whereas back in the day it was vice versa.. Times change, we just have to respect and accept that certain words are and can become taboo.

If I know a simple word can offend someone, I will refrain from using it. That is not really a big ask is it?

Read this : http://time.com/3561227/u-s-army-pla...of-word-negro/

I totally can compare caucasian and negro as equal terms for racial type, especially when i have both genetic types in my own body. Times change of course but we are not puppets - we are the creators of our own reality. We do not have to blindly accept whatever the media tells us is the 'in' or 'out' words of the day. Especially when the media is fickle and changes its mind according to whim or fashion.

If we just follow the herd every time without question then we are giving our personal power away, carte blanche, which is a dangerous place to be. These debates are not just healthy - they are essential to our freedom.

Offence is not in the words alone - it is in the intention behind them. I'd rather have someone call me a 'negro' in jest, than have someone call me an 'disgusting pig' and mean it.

But in the BB house for example, you cannot say 'negro' in jest but you can scream 'disgusting pig' in someone's face and mean it. That, to me, is all wrong.

Too often we are getting caught up on the words and totally missing the intention behind them: which is where the real deal is.

I'm getting tired bro so i'm hitting the hay. Been good talking to you. Peace out.

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by Robodog

I totally can compare caucasian and negro as equal terms for racial type, especially when i have both genetic types in my own body. Times change of course but we are not puppets - we are the creators of our own reality. We do not have to blindly accept whatever the media tells us is the 'in' or 'out' words of the day. Especially when the media is fickle and changes its mind according to whim or fashion.

If we just follow the herd every time without question then we are giving our personal power away, carte blanche, which is a dangerous place to be. These debates are not just healthy - they are essential to our freedom.

Offence is not in the words alone - it is in the intention behind them. I'd rather have someone call me a 'negro' in jest, than have someone call me an 'disgusting pig' and mean it.

But in the BB house for example, you cannot say 'negro' in jest but you can scream 'disgusting pig' in someone's face and mean it. That, to me, is all wrong.

Too often we are getting caught up on the words and totally missing the intention behind them: which is where the real deal is.

I'm getting tired bro so i'm hitting the hay. Been good talking to you. Peace out.

I'm all FOR not bowing down to media pressure but I know when to draw the line.

The media did not change the way we perceive that word. Society did. Over the course of a VERY long time. And for me? So be it. I can understand when I think about everything why some people can find the use of it in this day and age to be offensive, I can totally understand. It really is no big deal.

The fact is that word is now deemed unacceptable. If it was still acceptable it would still be a term used on the U.S census or we would hear it used commonly, we don't hear it used commonly and you and I know the reason why.


That word is unlike any other so when you say you can compare Caucasian to Negro you really cannot.. The words have totally EVOLVED in different ways.

One man may create a simple alphabetic word composed of simple letters in a dictionary one day but on another day THAT WORD may hold a totally different meaning due to a plethora of factors. Life EXPERIENCES and ACTIONS bear more weight and meaning than any alphabetic or spoken word could ever have and THAT can change many things in life and rightly so.

I only jumped when I saw the way Ken used it first time.. It was downright rude and just uncalled for. He also used "Pickaninny" which both caused offence to Alexander, he took offence quite clearly.

Noone uses that word anymore. Noone. Because people find it offensive. It is not the media who find it offensive. Black people do and if they do so what? There is a lot of history there so let's leave it to people like Obama and Alexander who have way more experience than us to decide if it is acceptable or not.

Been cool talking to you to bro PEACE.

[Merry Mockmas]

Ken meant it in a racial way, he loved getting reactions out of people and he was hoping that one of Alexander or Keith would blow up at him about it.

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Ken meant it in a racial way, he loved getting reactions out of people and he was hoping that one of Alexander or Keith would blow up at him about it.

I 100% agree with you. No, he may not be racist but he certainly did what he did to get attention. It was just so disrespectful the fact that he was actually willing to risk causing controversy by his nonchalant use of racially unacceptable words.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by the truth

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....

What about when Ken spoke Jamaican to Alexander after Nadia threatened to call The Police on him? I don't think that Ken is a racist, but I do feel that he was out to make a name for himself on this series, and along with Perez he'll be remembered from this series.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

Noone uses that word anymore. Noone. Because people find it offensive. It is not the media who find it offensive. Black people do and if they do so what? There is a lot of history there so let's leave it to people like Obama and Alexander who have way more experience than us to decide if it is acceptable or not.

Been cool talking to you to bro PEACE.

Yeah you are right, some black people do find the word offensive: and some do not. You keep saying noone uses the word anymore but they do. It has been a perfectly acceptable term globally for generations, including during OUR generation (see the link below). I don't know why you have such trouble accepting that. It's not a slang term like 'n----r' or it would NEVER have been used on census forms, in sporting leagues or by Martin Luther King himself in his most famous 'I have a dream' speech. To remind you, here is evidence of examples of it's recent, mainstream acceptable use : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

And yeah it has been taken off the census NOW which is a sign of how the word has evolved - but that has only occurred VERY RECENTLY. Undeniable truth is that it was perfectly acceptable in Obama's 2010 census - which is ONLY a few years ago. If it really was as bad as you make out, for as long as you make out, then it simply would not have been on that 2010 census in the first place!

Do you honestly think either Obama's administration or the previous one (which included Condoleeza Rice) would knowingly put a racist term on the ethnic background section of their census form?! Of course not!

The word has evolved SINCE THEN. That's fair enough, things change. But that's a VERY fast turnaround from being acceptable in 2010 to unacceptable by 2015, so it's no wonder people are confused by it!

[the truth]

ken was on a wind up with everyone from the start. the show is a joke the contestants are a joke the sexist double standards are a joke....nadia basket case wanted to call the cops because ken liked womens arses (though clearly hers wasn't his type lol) he did try to rile but racist no chance

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yeah you are right, some black people do find the word offensive: and some do not. You keep saying noone uses the word anymore but they do. It has been a perfectly acceptable term globally for generations, including during OUR generation (see the link below). I don't know why you have such trouble accepting that. It's not a slang term like 'n----r' or it would NEVER have been used on census forms, in sporting leagues or by Martin Luther King himself in his most famous 'I have a dream' speech. To remind you, here is evidence of examples of it's recent, mainstream acceptable use : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

And yeah it has been taken off the census NOW which is a sign of how the word has evolved - but that has only occurred VERY RECENTLY. Undeniable truth is that it was perfectly acceptable in Obama's 2010 census - which is ONLY a few years ago. If it really was as bad as you make out, for as long as you make out, then it simply would not have been on that 2010 census in the first place!

Do you honestly think either Obama's administration or the previous one (which included Condoleeza Rice) would knowingly put a racist term on the ethnic background section of their census form?! Of course not!

The word has evolved SINCE THEN. That's fair enough, things change. But that's a VERY fast turnaround from being acceptable in 2010 to unacceptable by 2015, so it's no wonder people are confused by it!

I have told you previously, that in Martin Luther king's era, that word was acceptable. So please don't compare it to anything that dates far back then when the word WAS acceptable. I have already told you this.

Obama did not put it on the U.S Census, it was there before he went into office but as you can see now, it has been rightly removed.


"According to Oxford Dictionaries, use of the word now seems out of date or even offensive in both British and US English"

That is the very last sentence in your Wikipedia link and probably the most important one.


So you say people still use that word comfortably? Who? Show us all.

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by the truth

ken was on a wind up with everyone from the start. the show is a joke the contestants are a joke the sexist double standards are a joke....nadia basket case wanted to call the cops because ken liked womens arses (though clearly hers wasn't his type lol) he did try to rile but racist no chance

Wait aren't you someone who champions Nigel Farage and UKIP and your trying to come here and have a clean and openly honest debate about racial subjects? LOL

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

Wait aren't you someone who champions Nigel Farage and UKIP and your trying to come here and have a clean and openly honest debate about racial subjects? LOL

I don't champion them but I do champion the fact the European union and the 587 page constitution is a disaster and that we do need tighter control of our borders. I presume you think that makes me racist???

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by the truth

I don't champion them but I do champion the fact the European union and the 587 page constitution is a disaster and that we do need tighter control of our borders. I presume you think that makes me racist???

Oh really now? Im sure I have seen you in another post extolling the virtues of Mr Farage.. oh wait..

For anyone reading this thread.. this is just how truthul "thetruth" is:


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...=269130&page=2


So...You tell the truth do you? There you are telling me you DONT support him but there you are in another thread applauding his "great work" LMAO


That's the truth.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

Oh really now? Im sure I have seen you in another post extolling the virtues of Mr Farage.. oh wait..

For anyone reading this thread.. this is just how truthul "thetruth" is:


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...=269130&page=2


So...You tell the truth do you? There you are telling me you DONT support him but there you are in another thread applauding his "great work" LMAO


That's the truth.

h dear

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am not The Truth, i am LT

and i never said anything about Nigel Farage, you did and he has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread or CBB


oh dear

You do notice I posted that to "thetruth" and not you yes? But funnily enough you are both quite similar in that you both appear on that thread.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

oi Jose how are you going to deal with the fact that Alex O'Neal is a racist too?

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

oi Jose how are you going to deal with the fact that Alex O'Neal is a racist too?

TBH he is worst than Ken if what he said was true.

[DemolitionRed]

ED to say...oops, this has already been said.

[vouch4]

Not about who said what and in what context it was actually meant (objective) and more about who witnessed the dialogue and judged that it could be taken offence at by certain others if it was meant with a negative intention (subjective) No trying to be clever here but surely if we explorw this we find that there is a real chance that the original party 'could' have said something in a totally Innocent context whereas the judgemental witness is never able to claim a similar reason as by definition they are guilty 'every' time.
In Ken Morleys days they were known as ****-stirrers. In reality His offence is likely to be one of not being able to keeo up with the pace of p. c or the many contradictions around the policing of it, that makes him stupid for straying into areas of conversation he aint 100% about, not necessarily racially hostile? .

[vouch4]

For example.. I am all for never being permitted to use the so-called N words but would understand such severe sanctions if the word NAZI was reveered in the same way, or are our silent witnesses whoever they are applying some distinguishing abhorrent scale or other.
Personally happy to never hear the above slip past another humans lips but somebody needs to inform the rap industry who have just laced a chart record pumping out of my daughters bedroom containing the unmistakable word N i g g ** no less than 32 times in 4 minutes - ????? Let's get rid altogether or revert back to chastising those who misuse and abuse existing words, palatable or not, as a means of hurting their fellow humans.

[puzzled]

Alexander is American, and in the States, the N word is n***er. MLK used the word, "negro," and the United Negro College Fund is alive and well. However, "negro" is outdated and not used except by people who are racist or clueless. I guess we all have to decide for ourselves which Ken is.

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by vouch4

Not about who said what and in what context it was actually meant (objective) and more about who witnessed the dialogue and judged that it could be taken offence at by certain others if it was meant with a negative intention (subjective) No trying to be clever here but surely if we explorw this we find that there is a real chance that the original party 'could' have said something in a totally Innocent context whereas the judgemental witness is never able to claim a similar reason as by definition they are guilty 'every' time.
In Ken Morleys days they were known as ****-stirrers. In reality His offence is likely to be one of not being able to keeo up with the pace of p. c or the many contradictions around the policing of it, that makes him stupid for straying into areas of conversation he aint 100% about, not necessarily racially hostile? .

As much as I dislike Alexander.... YOU must think of the FIRST time ken used the words Negro and Pickaninny..With THAT accent, which he put on to obviously cause some kind of provocation. (HE is not Alexander's friend, so don't even class it in that sense) My problem is how he was so nonchalant about doing that, to someone he barely knows. You may say he is not racist, but I will say he was extremely disrespectful to every black person by doing that. And he should have been removed then.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

I have told you previously, that in Martin Luther king's era, that word was acceptable. So please don't compare it to anything that dates far back then when the word WAS acceptable. I have already told you this.

Obama did not put it on the U.S Census, it was there before he went into office but as you can see now, it has been rightly removed.


"According to Oxford Dictionaries, use of the word now seems out of date or even offensive in both British and US English"

That is the very last sentence in your Wikipedia link and probably the most important one.


So you say people still use that word comfortably? Who? Show us all.

Obama may not have personally put the word on the 2010 census but the previous administration did, which included Condoleeza Rice. Do you think SHE would have allowed a racist term to be used on the ethnicity background section??

And do you honestly think Obama would also have allowed it to be used on a national census if it was considered as racist as you make it out to be?

And do you honestly think the president of the US has no power to stop it, even if he thought it was that bad at the time?

Fact is - the word was used in an official, national capacity as recently as 2010. You cannot dispute that.

So however old fashioned the term may be, it was still CLEARLY not considered racist by the US government as recently as 2010 - or it simply would not have been used AT ALL.

It's been changed since. no one is disputing that. But it was there in 2010 whether you like it or not. That proves hands down that it was not considered racist in an official capacity in 2010. That's only a few years ago. So therefore any official declaration of it being a racist term is a relatively recent thing (ie - since 2010)

There is nothing to argue about. It was given the ok in 2010 by the US govt and it isn't now. That's it.